Gameday Thread: Angels @ Twins 5/14/2019 (Rengifo 2B)

[Blarg]

No, you still have LaStella at the plate before Trout. 

[stormngt]

25 minutes ago, Blarg said:

No, you still have LaStella at the plate before Trout. 

Trout was on deck with one out.  Therefore barring a double play Trout will come up to bat.

I wasnt very clear in original post.

[nando714]

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Scioscia makes one move that bad every 3 seasons...

Sosh would have done the same 

righty lefty match up 

[stormngt]

Just now, nando714 said:

Sosh would have done the same 

righty lefty match up 

Bullshit

[Stradling]

Bour wouldn’t be an Angel with Scioscia here.  Can’t play D, can’t run, not a heads up type of player.  

[beatlesrule]

2 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

Eppler has struckout bigtime with Cozart, Bour, Ausmus, Harvey, Cahill, Allen and letting Shoemaker and Parker go. 

Then why is he treated like a God among men by many here?

[GrittyVeterans]

Team can never get above .500 seemingly. Been like that for a while now. Frustrating

[Chuck]

31 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Then why is he treated like a God among men by many here?

Because he did trade for Simmons and gave up really nothing after further review to get him. 

He traded for Upton and kept him. We gave up really nothing.

He got us Ohtani. Huge! 

He beefed up our farm system and major league roster via the draft and trades.

Eppler established a tight relationship with Mike Trout that played a big part of him staying him, signing him to a lifetime contract. 

I think the above more than makes up for the ones I previously mentioned.

He's not a perfect GM, but he's darn near somewhere between good & great.

[Docwaukee]

49 minutes ago, beatlesrule said:

Then why is he treated like a God among men by many here?

no one is treating him like a god.  he's made plenty of mistakes but has generally done a very good job.  

 

[beatlesrule]

27 minutes ago, Chuckster70 said:

Because he did trade for Simmons and gave up really nothing after further review to get him. 

He traded for Upton and kept him. We gave up really nothing.

He got us Ohtani. Huge! 

He beefed up our farm system and major league roster via the draft and trades.

Eppler established a tight relationship with Mike Trout that played a big part of him staying him, signing him to a lifetime contract. 

I think the above more than makes up for the ones I previously mentioned.

He's not a perfect GM, but he's darn near somewhere between good & great.

Some of those I agree with but it's not like Ohtani stated he was impressed with Eppler and that's why he signed and Trout loved it here long before Eppler was the GM and Arte giving him 430 million is what kept him here. 

Eppler hasn't gotten the Angels to the playoffs. His farm work is too soon to be called beefed up. We need to wait at least a year or 2 to make that claim. I just don't get the obsession with him. I expect results. At least Dipoto got us a division title. 

Not sure how the above you are referring to makes up for the current state of the team seeing as Ausmus is the manager and will be for 3 years and Cozart will be around another 2 years and the other terrible signings and wasted money that could have been spent on players that are actually good.

That's just me though apparently.

[nando714]

5 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Team can never get above .500 seemingly. Been like that for a while now. Frustrating

They’ll sweep the royals this weekend to get there 

[Stradling]

6 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Some of those I agree with but it's not like Ohtani stated he was impressed with Eppler and that's why he signed and Trout loved it here long before Eppler was the GM and Arte giving him 430 million is what kept him here. 

Eppler hasn't gotten the Angels to the playoffs. His farm work is too soon to be called beefed up. We need to wait at least a year or 2 to make that claim. I just don't get the obsession with him. I expect results. At least Dipoto got us a division title. 

Not sure how the above you are referring to makes up for the current state of the team seeing as Ausmus is the manager and will be for 3 years and Cozart will be around another 2 years and the other terrible signings and wasted money that could have been spent on players that are actually good.

That's just me though apparently.

When trying to decide if you are on the right side of a baseball argument you should look who’s on your side and who isn’t on your side.   So if you are disagreeing with people on here that are very well respected like insidepitch or doc then you might want to reconsider your point of view.  By the way quinlanforthewin is on your side.   That’s a pretty good indication you need to reconsider.  

[Jay]

16 minutes ago, Stradling said:

When trying to decide if you are on the right side of a baseball argument you should look who’s on your side and who isn’t on your side.   So if you are disagreeing with people on here that are very well respected like insidepitch or doc then you might want to reconsider your point of view.  By the way quinlanforthewin is on your side.   That’s a pretty good indication you need to reconsider.  

Wow... interesting comment. I'm just going to leave it at that.

Many "respected" posters here were in love with Dipoto also.

Certainly reasonable for fans to want to see some results on the field.

[Angel Oracle]

10 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Did any of them ask the question we were all really wondering?  "Are you really this stupid????"

Mama Bubba:  “Are you dumb, or are you just stupid?”

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

Wow... interesting comment. I'm just going to leave it at that.

Many "respected" posters here were in love with Dipoto also.

Certainly reasonable for fans to want to see some results on the field.

Yes I agree.  I was one of the guys who really liked Dipoto, I was wrong.  You know who wasn’t wrong? IP.  Eppler is everything Dipoto isn’t.  He’s not perfect but he’s one of the best this organization has had.   

[Inside Pitch]

46 minutes ago, Jay said:

Wow... interesting comment. I'm just going to leave it at that.

Many "respected" posters here were in love with Dipoto also.

Certainly reasonable for fans to want to see some results on the field.

Since I got mentioned in the post you're responding to...   I pretty much led the charge questioning why his actions didn't match his words and was vocal almost from day one about stuff like Walden for Hanson, signing two RPs who couldn't throw a ball yet and his overall un-saber approach to things.   Doc, the other guy that was mentioned was on JD about high floor low ceiling from day one.  

I think most everyone here (myself included), was very much "in love" with the idea the franchise was moving away from the dark ages and towards a more saber inclined approach and Dipoto went to great lengths to portray himself as a new age GM but it became obvious early on (speaking for myself), that Jerry Dipoto talked a fair game but wasn't actually doing any of the stuff he was talking about.  Still, his fans took aim at MS and deflected all blame elsewhere.   The mythology of JD was pretty interesting.

When it's all said and done -- JD and Eppler are very different beasts and people comparing the two based on nothing other than W/L records are guilty of not seeing the forest for the trees.

[Stradling]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

Wow... interesting comment. I'm just going to leave it at that.

Many "respected" posters here were in love with Dipoto also.

Certainly reasonable for fans to want to see some results on the field.

Also Jay, if you can’t tell the difference in level of understanding of the game between the reactionary blowhards (myself included) and the much more rational and thought provoking guys, that’s on you and not mean old Stradling for bringing it up to a fellow blowhard.  

[Inside Pitch]

8 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Then why is he treated like a God among men by many here?

Pick the best GM you can think of and we can make a long lists of F*ck ups.   Eppler's not a "God among men", but he's a world better than anyone else who's held the job in Anaheim since Stoneman and the changes he's made are making a long term impact...   

It hasn't shown up in the W/L record, he's not planting with MiracleGro, he's trying to actually cultivate something built for the long term.   

 

[Inside Pitch]

8 hours ago, GrittyVeterans said:

Team can never get above .500 seemingly. Been like that for a while now. Frustrating

.500 has been like the sound barrier the last 3 or so years...

[fan_since79]

People here are talking about Cozart being around for another two years?!!

Please tell me that's not true. Geez.

[fan_since79]

11 hours ago, HeavenlyHalos said:

That was one of the dumbest decisions I've seen in a long time. Just unreal he made that move.

He does the bidding of the Faceless Analytics Collective who actually run this team.

[Stradling]

11 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

He does the bidding of the Faceless Analytics Collective who actually run this team.

My belief on this is they plan the game and go over scenarios ahead of time.  In game decisions are made by the manager based on the information shared before the game.  The manager still makes decisions because you can’t actually come up with every possible scenario pregame.  

[fan_since79]

So the computer tells them there's a 1% chance that Bour will actually connect with the baseball and drive it out of the park, and Ausmus reacts accordingly.

If he gambled in Vegas like he manages the Angels, he'd be broke in no time flat.

[Inside Pitch]

7 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Eppler hasn't gotten the Angels to the playoffs. His farm work is too soon to be called beefed up. We need to wait at least a year or 2 to make that claim. I just don't get the obsession with him. I expect results. At least Dipoto got us a division title. 

This is the team he inherited, the salaries in place, and the minor league system he had to work with.

 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels/payroll/2015/  

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels/payroll/2016/ This was the team he had at the end of his first year...    Retained Salary (Leftover Salary from players who have been traded, released or buyout for declined options. $42, 327,190.
https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels/payroll/  This is where he is now.    Retained Salary -- $837,000.    

And just for giggles -- he's what the roster looked like when JD signed on... 

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/los-angeles-angels/payroll/2011/

Questioning if the farm is truly "beefed up" doesnt warrant a response.

 

[Inside Pitch]

24 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

People here are talking about Cozart being around for another two years?!!

Please tell me that's not true. Geez.

He's signed through next year, not an additional two years.