Keith Law ranks Angels farm as #7 in baseball

[robblin17]

I thought Keith Law hated us?

[Inside Pitch]

3 minutes ago, robblin17 said:

I thought Keith Law hated us?

Mostly he hates empty batting average low obp non-athletes.

[Thomas]

9 hours ago, Fregosi said:

Not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand.  Eppler was focused enough to try to build the Angels without trading prospects.  He continues to sign low priced, with hopefully high upside FA for short contracts.   Some have been almost successful but really haven't gotten us to the playoffs.  Meanwhile, the farm keeps accumulating 55+ players.  As they start to accumulate, the 50's, 45's, start dropping off the Top 30.  Eventually tie stature of the Farm goes up.  But here in lies the problem. 

How many of these guys actually produce once they hit the Bigs?  Ward?  Fletcher?  Thaiss?  Canning?  Are they the new Superstars?

Yeah it's great to have a great farm.  But how many Brandon Wood's and Kaleb Cowart's do we have to go through to get a Trout?  Ok he is the GOAT.  So, an Anderson, Salmon, Edmonds, or Erstad?

 

I don't get it.  

[Angelsjunky]

9 hours ago, Fregosi said:

Not sure why this is such a hard concept to understand.  Eppler was focused enough to try to build the Angels without trading prospects.  He continues to sign low priced, with hopefully high upside FA for short contracts.   Some have been almost successful but really haven't gotten us to the playoffs.  Meanwhile, the farm keeps accumulating 55+ players.  As they start to accumulate, the 50's, 45's, start dropping off the Top 30.  Eventually tie stature of the Farm goes up.  But here in lies the problem. 

How many of these guys actually produce once they hit the Bigs?  Ward?  Fletcher?  Thaiss?  Canning?  Are they the new Superstars?

Yeah it's great to have a great farm.  But how many Brandon Wood's and Kaleb Cowart's do we have to go through to get a Trout?  Ok he is the GOAT.  So, an Anderson, Salmon, Edmonds, or Erstad?

 

As you said, Trout cannot be the standard. Secondly, the term "superstar" is overused by some. In my opinion, it really should refer only to the top half a dozen, or dozen at most, players in the game; a perennial MVP candidate. Chances are no players in the Angels farm turn into superstars.

But a few could be stars, some impact players (above average regulars), and a bunch quality regulars and/or good role players. In terms of "most likely future with a slightly positive spin", I'd group the Angels prospects like so:

Future superstars (7+ WAR): None (Adell has a small chance).

Future stars (5-7 WAR): Adell.

Future impact players (3-5 WAR): Canning, Marsh, Rengifo, Jones.

Future quality regulars (2-3 WAR): Fletcher, Thaiss, Suarez, Hermosillo, Ward, Madero, P Sandoval.

Future solid role players (0-2 WAR): Buttrey, Jerez, Walsh, O Martinez, Hunter Jr, Kruger, Rivas, J Leon, L Pena, B Sandoval, etc.

Too soon to tell, but with at least quality regular upside: Soriano, C Rodriguez, Knowles, Adams, Jackson, Deveaux, Maitan, Soto, Hernandez, Bradish, Swanda, Aquino, Uceta, A Ramirez, etc.

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

2 hours ago, Fregosi said:

Fletcher may not have been considered a top prospect, but of the group, he was first to make his MLB debut.  He will be relied on heavily this coming Season at least as a versatile backup.  He's the best we got in terms of off the farm infielders, that are MLB ready.  Unfortunately, he is no Gleybar Torres. 

I would think there is an expectation early on that Thaiss (16th Overall) and Ward (26th Overall) would have evolved into Top Prospects.  Canning has, as a 2nd Rounder.  Our last Top Prospect was 25th Overall in the 2009 Draft.  He was drafted after another Angel Draftee who hasn't shared the same success as the 25th Overall.   Speaking of the 2009 Draft, 2 to 5 Overall were Dustin Ackley, Donovan Tate, Jorge Sanchez, and Matthew Hobgood (Strasberg was #1).  I would consider them all to be Brandon Woods.  Guess a top 5 pick can completely bomb now days.  Oh and Cowart was drafted 18th Overall in 2010.  Somehow his Angel career seems similar to Woods.  What do you think?  

How many Superstars do I expect on one Team.  More than 1.  How many do you think the Angels have currently?

The Farm has vastly improved under Eppler.  That is for certain and I am grateful this has evolved.  But we have not seen anything out of the farm come to fruition yet.  While I am hopeful that Ward, Thaiss, and Canning can make an impact in the very near future, I am more certain that the next group led by Adell will make a larger impact.  If Eppler decides to not use the Farm as trade bait, the Farm will continue to bring in 50+ players, thus eliminating the below 50's players off the Top 30 List. 

Meanwhile, we need to be hopeful that players like Pujols, Cozart, Calhoun, Lucroy, and the Other Infielder (Ward, Fletcher, Refigo), can at least be at replacement level.  That will get us 3-4 more games and get us in the Wild Card hunt.

This is such a bullshit post. I know you'll want a lengthy rebuttal but I think I'm gona go eat some ice cream instead.

[AngelsHilo]

7 hours ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

This is such a bullshit post. I know you'll want a lengthy rebuttal but I think I'm gona go eat some ice cream instead.

Understand.  A lengthy rebuttal from you would be most unexpected.

[Docwaukee]

12 hours ago, Fregosi said:

Fletcher may not have been considered a top prospect, but of the group, he was first to make his MLB debut.  He will be relied on heavily this coming Season at least as a versatile backup.  He's the best we got in terms of off the farm infielders, that are MLB ready.  Unfortunately, he is no Gleybar Torres. 

I would think there is an expectation early on that Thaiss (16th Overall) and Ward (26th Overall) would have evolved into Top Prospects.  Canning has, as a 2nd Rounder.  Our last Top Prospect was 25th Overall in the 2009 Draft.  He was drafted after another Angel Draftee who hasn't shared the same success as the 25th Overall.   Speaking of the 2009 Draft, 2 to 5 Overall were Dustin Ackley, Donovan Tate, Jorge Sanchez, and Matthew Hobgood (Strasberg was #1).  I would consider them all to be Brandon Woods.  Guess a top 5 pick can completely bomb now days.  Oh and Cowart was drafted 18th Overall in 2010.  Somehow his Angel career seems similar to Woods.  What do you think?  

How many Superstars do I expect on one Team.  More than 1.  How many do you think the Angels have currently?

The Farm has vastly improved under Eppler.  That is for certain and I am grateful this has evolved.  But we have not seen anything out of the farm come to fruition yet.  While I am hopeful that Ward, Thaiss, and Canning can make an impact in the very near future, I am more certain that the next group led by Adell will make a larger impact.  If Eppler decides to not use the Farm as trade bait, the Farm will continue to bring in 50+ players, thus eliminating the below 50's players off the Top 30 List. 

Meanwhile, we need to be hopeful that players like Pujols, Cozart, Calhoun, Lucroy, and the Other Infielder (Ward, Fletcher, Refigo), can at least be at replacement level.  That will get us 3-4 more games and get us in the Wild Card hunt.

another person who doesn't understand how farm systems work.  great.  

[Lou]

5 hours ago, Dochalo said:

How many Superstars do I expect on one Team.  More than 1.  How many do you think the Angels have currently?

more than 1