Should Scioscia be in the running for MOTY?

[Angels#1Fan]

What does the forum think?

[tdawg87]

Only if they make the playoffs.

[stormngt]

7 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

Only if they make the playoffs.

Consideration is different from winning the award.  He should get consideration.  Make the playoffs he should win it.

[tdawg87]

5 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Consideration is different from winning the award.  He should get consideration.  Make the playoffs he should win it.

Ah semantics.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Im sure everyone on this board either thinks Scioscia is MOTY or thinks he's an idiot who has mismanaged a World Series Class roster to the fringes of playoff contention...

[arch stanton]

All I know is this thread would be 8 pages longer if they'd just lost 7 out of 8 instead of the other way around

[Puget Sound Angel]

Except for the Nationals, we have been fattening up on some pretty weak teams the last two weeks. Let's see what we do against the big boys.

[halomatt]

20 hours ago, Angels#1Fan said:

What does the forum think?

I think Scioscia ain't "running" for anything. 

[floplag]

He will be, especially if they actually hang onto the WC spot, but i dont feel he deserves to be as the players have in my view done this in spite of him, not because of him. 

[red321]

2 hours ago, floplag said:

He will be, especially if they actually hang onto the WC spot, but i dont feel he deserves to be as the players have in my view done this in spite of him, not because of him. 

Holy crap...could you imagine the numbers trout would put up if Scioscia wasn't managing the team. And I bet pujols would crack .250 if Scioscia just left him alone. 

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, red321 said:

Holy crap...could you imagine the numbers trout would put up if Scioscia wasn't managing the team. And I bet pujols would crack .250 if Scioscia just left him alone. 

Yep, not to mention the health of the pitchers.  Also the scouting would be better and we would have never signed Hamilton.  Weaver would be throwing 95 and still pitching for us.  

[floplag]

23 minutes ago, red321 said:

Holy crap...could you imagine the numbers trout would put up if Scioscia wasn't managing the team. And I bet pujols would crack .250 if Scioscia just left him alone. 

 

14 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Yep, not to mention the health of the pitchers.  Also the scouting would be better and we would have never signed Hamilton.  Weaver would be throwing 95 and still pitching for us.  

Obvious sarcasm aside almost everyone here, including both of you if im not mistaken,  has taken issues with Scoscia's lineups and other moves, now you're defending him and giving him credit for the results?   Cant say that makes a lot of sense to me.  

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, floplag said:

 

Obvious sarcasm aside almost everyone here, including both of you if im not mistaken,  has taken issues with Scoscia's lineups and other moves, now you're defending him and giving him credit for the results?   Cant say that makes a lot of sense to me.  

I defended him against people that give him all the blame and none of the credit.  Or nonsense like, "they win inspite  of Scioscia".  

Edited August 17, 2017 by Stradling

[Lou]

1 hour ago, floplag said:

 

Obvious sarcasm aside almost everyone here, including both of you if im not mistaken,  has taken issues with Scoscia's lineups and other moves, now you're defending him and giving him credit for the results?   Cant say that makes a lot of sense to me.  

As much sense as blaming him for losses but not giving him credit for wins.

How does that make sense? 

[nate]

Scioscia should be in the conversation, not sure if he should win it, but there isn't another team that has done more with less.

Eppler should be in the GM of the year convo too.

[Lou]

2 hours ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Zero postseason wins since 2009. Angel fans have lowered there standards to three games over .500 is a great season.

hello, Amelia. 

[Angelsfan1984]

The team wins in spite of Scioscias idiotic moves. He makes head scratching moves to even the most basic baseball fan. Eppler at least provides scioscia with decent options.

[Lou]

ABob after learning we were 2nd in the Wild Card race

[Lou]

1 minute ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

The team wins in spite of Scioscias idiotic moves. He makes head scratching moves to even the most basic baseball fan. Eppler at least provides scioscia with decent options.

Decent options? A roster full of guys with an OPS of under .700? The guys that get bashed every day, win or lose? Those options? 

Yeah, this team is loaded. 

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

The team wins in spite of Scioscias idiotic moves. He makes head scratching moves to even the most basic baseball fan. Eppler at least provides scioscia with decent options.

um sure.  

[floplag]

26 minutes ago, Lou said:

As much sense as blaming him for losses but not giving him credit for wins.

How does that make sense? 

i dont really think the manager deserves credit for either.  once he puts out the lineup its up to the players, especially in the AL.  
Aside from when to changes pitchers, pinch hit or make certain other calls (when was the last time you say an Angel bunt for example) he really doesnt affect the outcome.  
He has by and large not the above well in my opinion.  I think the players have made him look better than he is, thats where i put the credit and/or blame far more than the guy in the sweatshirt

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, floplag said:

i dont really think the manager deserves credit for either.  once he puts out the lineup its up to the players, especially in the AL.  
Aside from when to changes pitchers, pinch hit or make certain other calls (when was the last time you say an Angel bunt for example) he really doesnt affect the outcome.  
He has by and large not the above well in my opinion.  I think the players have made him look better than he is, thats where i put the credit and/or blame far more than the guy in the sweatshirt

Ok, so he shouldn't get blame, got it.  

Being Mike's GM would be pretty damn easy.  Give him guys that play good defense, give him a bullpen and give him guys who are capable of running the bases well and stealing bases.  You do that and his team more times than not will be in the playoff hunt.  You know what doesn't work?  Give him no bullpen, give him one dimensional players that can't play defense and can't run the bases.  

[JustATroutFan]

But he has two players in the top 5 in WAR (Simmons and Trout) and a good bullpen outside of Blood Norris. lol 

[floplag]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

Ok, so he shouldn't get blame, got it.  

Being Mike's GM would be pretty damn easy.  Give him guys that play good defense, give him a bullpen and give him guys who are capable of running the bases well and stealing bases.  You do that and his team more times than not will be in the playoff hunt.  You know what doesn't work?  Give him no bullpen, give him one dimensional players that can't play defense and can't run the bases.  

No, what i said is hew shouldnt get the credit or the blame for wins and losses, he should get them for his decisions.   Wins or losses are much more affected by the players on the field than the guy on the bench.  Given your scenario I could manage this team with all that and it would win.  

I give him credit and blame for the decisions he makes, some have been good, some have been utterly ludicrous.  He has made some egregious mistake and doesn't learn from them, thats the part that irritates me.

I tell you what, if you can explain to me logically in baseball terms why Pujols is still batting third behind Trout, ill retract me entire series of comments. 

[Lou]

 

27 minutes ago, floplag said:

i dont really think the manager deserves credit for either.  once he puts out the lineup its up to the players, especially in the AL.  
Aside from when to changes pitchers, pinch hit or make certain other calls (when was the last time you say an Angel bunt for example) he really doesnt affect the outcome.  
He has by and large not the above well in my opinion.  I think the players have made him look better than he is, thats where i put the credit and/or blame far more than the guy in the sweatshirt

As do i, and have stated so repeatedly.  The problem is that the posters who bash Scioscia constantly, even when we win, state that his managerial moves are the reason we lose. Well, I would give take them seriously if they would sing his praises after we win. After all, he makes the moves in wins, too. That's why I always say " no credit, all blame".  They can't have it both ways. If we win in spite of him, then we lose in spite of him.

i didn't get when you called out Strad for questioning some of MS's moves and then defending him.  He never stated MS was perfect. This thread is a poll as to whether he deserves consideration for MOTY, which he undoubtedly does. Strad showed he can give an honest assessment of his managing, something the "in spite of" crowd is incapable of doing. 

Seriously, take a look at our roster. Ricky Nolasco, JC Ramirez, Jesse Chavez, Matt Shoemaker, Alex Meyer, Parker Bridwell. They are the SP who have started more than 10 games. I'm pretty sure every one of our starting position players have been injured, too. 

If MS was managing the Dodgers, I'm sure they would be playing .500 ball