Kaepernick sits during national anthem, and 49ers defend him

[Taylor]

22 hours ago, Jay said:

It was the same people who faked the moon landing.

And said they saw Mark Teixeira on the 5.

[the dude abides]

The AW flag humpers apparently missed this one:

https://nypost.com/2020/02/03/trump-pretends-to-conduct-orchestra-during-super-bowl-national-anthem/

 

[Blarg]

You seemed to have missed this years Super bowl thread. 

[Rico]

This was a thread. 

[Tank]

On 12/15/2016 at 8:10 AM, Franklin Bluth said:

Actually, all of WWII was an inside job, from the invasion of Poland to the dropping of the a-bombs. The world superpowers secretly met in 1933 and planned it all out.

was this orchestrated from the tri-lateral commission, the world bank, or the bohemian grove folk? oops, i almost forgot about the rothschild family. let's addd them in, too.

[Tank]

I think initially I wasn't very happy with what Kap did. Felt disrespectful to veterans, police, and the flag. I wasn't sure why he felt such a burden at that specific moment to make a statement, and I found it somewhat confusing since he himself had been raised in a loving home under pretty good circumstances (even though he'd been adopted). Maybe part of it was coming to terms with his own family history before his parents gave him up (I don't remember a lot about his story so I may be off a bit in my facts). 

As I look at where things are today, I wouldn't mind seeing players take a knee again. Much prefer that to what's been going on in the streets for the last week. Maybe we shouldn't have dismissed their concerns as quickly as several of us did. Could it have made a difference? Who knows, but I'll bet we listen more closely this time around, as we should.

I hope those in positions of leadership are listening.

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Tank said:

I think initially I wasn't very happy with what Kap did. Felt disrespectful to veterans, police, and the flag. I wasn't sure why he felt such a burden at that specific moment to make a statement, and I found it somewhat confusing since he himself had been raised in a loving home under pretty good circumstances (even though he'd been adopted). Maybe part of it was coming to terms with his own family history before his parents gave him up (I don't remember a lot about his story so I may be off a bit in my facts). 

As I look at where things are today, I wouldn't mind seeing players take a knee again. Much prefer that to what's been going on in the streets for the last week. Maybe we shouldn't have dismissed their concerns as quickly as several of us did. Could it have made a difference? Who knows, but I'll bet we listen more closely this time around, as we should.

I hope those in positions of leadership are listening.

I respect your willingness to reflect and reevaluate your stance on something. More people (me included) need to be willing to do that.

[Taylor]

On 8/28/2016 at 4:56 PM, nate said:

Kaep has a lot of money.  Maybe he should use some of it to help the NAACP or other organizations instead of protesting by sitting down like a baby.

Nate is weird sometimes.

[Lou]

6 hours ago, Franklin Bluth said:

Nate is weird sometimes.

Not For George

[halomatt]

6 hours ago, Tank said:

I think initially I wasn't very happy with what Kap did. Felt disrespectful to veterans, police, and the flag. I wasn't sure why he felt such a burden at that specific moment to make a statement, and I found it somewhat confusing since he himself had been raised in a loving home under pretty good circumstances (even though he'd been adopted). Maybe part of it was coming to terms with his own family history before his parents gave him up (I don't remember a lot about his story so I may be off a bit in my facts). 

As I look at where things are today, I wouldn't mind seeing players take a knee again. Much prefer that to what's been going on in the streets for the last week. Maybe we shouldn't have dismissed their concerns as quickly as several of us did. Could it have made a difference? Who knows, but I'll bet we listen more closely this time around, as we should.

I hope those in positions of leadership are listening.

Appreciate your reflection.  Kap's position was (is) a difficult position to understand, especially if one doesn't have the shared experience.  I grew up in a home where assimilation was practiced.  My parents are second generation Hispanics.  My great grandmother was a California Native.  Everything my parents stressed to me was, "Be respectful of adults and people in power", "work hard, always", and "take care of your family".

Growing up in California, I never really witnessed or experienced racial discrimination that was overt.  It wasn't until I was older that I began to see the effects of institutionalized racism. The school I teach at was once a top school with kids and families that understood the power of a good education.  Over time, however, we became a Title 1 school.  (Title 1 schools have a disproportionate amount of students in poverty, and thus qualify for federal funding.)  Over this time, I have seen first-hand the effects of institutional racism in our school system.

That's when I began to better understand Kaep's view.  America values freedom and equality for all.  However, America doesn't practice those values equally with respect to races.  i believe that, for the majority of Americans, it's very difficult to look at the viewpoint of blacks and other people of color without using the filters or our own familial and personal experiences.  Indeed, it takes a active and conscious willingness to put aside what we know and grew up with and start from scratch to try and understand completely what others experience in America. 

This is a very difficult exercise for people.  Since our school has been designated Title 1, it has forced me to reevaluate my previously held positions on education, race, America, personal rights,  and the difference between "Equality" and "Equity".

In all, my lesson was this:  Always Be Learning.  We are never finished products and we should always be questioning.   Most importantly, I believe we should always be questioning our own beliefs first. Our biases are strong, and they can distort truth to confirm to previously held beliefs.  We should always be seeking truth from multiple sources, not just ones we affiliate with. Search out "the other side".  It takes courage, but it's worth our time.  True understanding comes from freedom of thought, absent of bias. 

(I'm currently reading Keith Law's book on bias in baseball.  As with his first book, he dispels common myths in baseball, identifies errors in thinking, and does a good job of making the complex themes accessible. I recommend.) 

Cheers again to you for your reevaluation and reflection. 

Have a great day, everyone.

[Kevin]

7 hours ago, Tank said:

I think initially I wasn't very happy with what Kap did. Felt disrespectful to veterans, police, and the flag. I wasn't sure why he felt such a burden at that specific moment to make a statement, and I found it somewhat confusing since he himself had been raised in a loving home under pretty good circumstances (even though he'd been adopted). Maybe part of it was coming to terms with his own family history before his parents gave him up (I don't remember a lot about his story so I may be off a bit in my facts). 

As I look at where things are today, I wouldn't mind seeing players take a knee again. Much prefer that to what's been going on in the streets for the last week. Maybe we shouldn't have dismissed their concerns as quickly as several of us did. Could it have made a difference? Who knows, but I'll bet we listen more closely this time around, as we should.

I hope those in positions of leadership are listening.

I think the majority of people think the protest started with a kneel and it became disrespectful towards the troops and all that.

If I remember correctly, he sat during the anthem once without anyone noticing but they picked up on it during the second week. A few weeks later he starts to kneel and then that became the narrative from there on out. He kneels therefore he disrespects. This clips helps explain things a little more clearer. 
 

 

[Lou]

6 minutes ago, halomatt said:

Appreciate your reflection.  Kap's position was (is) a difficult position to understand, especially if one doesn't have the shared experience.  I grew up in a home where assimilation was practiced.  My parents are second generation Hispanics.  My great grandmother was a California Native.  Everything my parents stressed to me was, "Be respectful of adults and people in power", "work hard, always", and "take care of your family".

Growing up in California, I never really witnessed or experienced racial discrimination that was overt.  It wasn't until I was older that I began to see the effects of institutionalized racism. The school I teach at was once a top school with kids and families that understood the power of a good education.  Over time, however, we became a Title 1 school.  (Title 1 schools have a disproportionate amount of students in poverty, and thus qualify for federal funding.)  Over this time, I have seen first-hand the effects of institutional racism in our school system.

That's when I began to better understand Kaep's view.  America values freedom and equality for all.  However, America doesn't practice those values equally with respect to races.  i believe that, for the majority of Americans, it's very difficult to look at the viewpoint of blacks and other people of color without using the filters or our own familial and personal experiences.  Indeed, it takes a active and conscious willingness to put aside what we know and grew up with and start from scratch to try and understand completely what others experience in America. 

This is a very difficult exercise for people.  Since our school has been designated Title 1, it has forced me to reevaluate my previously held positions on education, race, America, personal rights,  and the difference between "Equality" and "Equity".

In all, my lesson was this:  Always Be Learning.  We are never finished products and we should always be questioning.   Most importantly, I believe we should always be questioning our own beliefs first. Our biases are strong, and they can distort truth to confirm to previously held beliefs.  We should always be seeking truth from multiple sources, not just ones we affiliate with. Search out "the other side".  It takes courage, but it's worth our time.  True understanding comes from freedom of thought, absent of bias. 

(I'm currently reading Keith Law's book on bias in baseball.  As with his first book, he dispels common myths in baseball, identifies errors in thinking, and does a good job of making the complex themes accessible. I recommend.) 

Cheers again to you for your reevaluation and reflection. 

Have a great day, everyone.

This is a fantastic post.

[Lou]

Hold on a minute!!

 

 

 

 

 

11 minutes ago, halomatt said:

My parents are second generation Hispanic

¡Órale!

[halomatt]

14 minutes ago, Lou said:

Hold on a minute!!

 

 

 

 

 

¡Órale!

hahaha!  Yep.  Worst part of "assimilation".  I was not taught Spanish at a young age and have struggled my entire life learning it.  It was not valued, when compared to the larger society. I'm actually embarrassed when one of my parents addresses me in Spanish. 

I'm working on it, but it's pretty difficult when there's no one to practice with in the family. (Except my 20 year old daughter, who took four years in high school, but is a surly child, still and rolls her eyes when I try.)

[Jason]

33 minutes ago, halomatt said:

Appreciate your reflection.  Kap's position was (is) a difficult position to understand, especially if one doesn't have the shared experience.  I grew up in a home where assimilation was practiced.  My parents are second generation Hispanics.  My great grandmother was a California Native.  Everything my parents stressed to me was, "Be respectful of adults and people in power", "work hard, always", and "take care of your family".

Growing up in California, I never really witnessed or experienced racial discrimination that was overt.  It wasn't until I was older that I began to see the effects of institutionalized racism. The school I teach at was once a top school with kids and families that understood the power of a good education.  Over time, however, we became a Title 1 school.  (Title 1 schools have a disproportionate amount of students in poverty, and thus qualify for federal funding.)  Over this time, I have seen first-hand the effects of institutional racism in our school system.

That's when I began to better understand Kaep's view.  America values freedom and equality for all.  However, America doesn't practice those values equally with respect to races.  i believe that, for the majority of Americans, it's very difficult to look at the viewpoint of blacks and other people of color without using the filters or our own familial and personal experiences.  Indeed, it takes a active and conscious willingness to put aside what we know and grew up with and start from scratch to try and understand completely what others experience in America. 

This is a very difficult exercise for people.  Since our school has been designated Title 1, it has forced me to reevaluate my previously held positions on education, race, America, personal rights,  and the difference between "Equality" and "Equity".

In all, my lesson was this:  Always Be Learning.  We are never finished products and we should always be questioning.   Most importantly, I believe we should always be questioning our own beliefs first. Our biases are strong, and they can distort truth to confirm to previously held beliefs.  We should always be seeking truth from multiple sources, not just ones we affiliate with. Search out "the other side".  It takes courage, but it's worth our time.  True understanding comes from freedom of thought, absent of bias. 

(I'm currently reading Keith Law's book on bias in baseball.  As with his first book, he dispels common myths in baseball, identifies errors in thinking, and does a good job of making the complex themes accessible. I recommend.) 

Cheers again to you for your reevaluation and reflection. 

Have a great day, everyone.

This is a very good post. I’ve always felt poverty plays a huge role in much of this, especially the justice system. I don’t necessarily equate that with racism though. 

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, halomatt said:

hahaha!  Yep.  Worst part of "assimilation".  I was not taught Spanish at a young age and have struggled my entire life learning it.  It was not valued, when compared to the larger society. I'm actually embarrassed when one of my parents addresses me in Spanish. 

I'm working on it, but it's pretty difficult when there's no one to practice with in the family. (Except my 20 year old daughter, who took four years in high school, but is a surly child, still and rolls her eyes when I try.)

I was fortunate to learn it early on. Basically, my dad spoke to us in English and my mom spoke to us in Spanish.

Do you understand it completely? If so and you want to improve quickly, you have to be surrounded by people who only speak Spanish. You'll be surprised at how quickly you pick it up. 

 

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

I was fortunate to learn it early on. Basically, my dad spoke to us in English and my mom spoke to us in Spanish.

Do you understand it completely? If so and you want to improve quickly, you have to be surrounded by people who only speak Spanish. You'll be surprised at how quickly you pick it up. 

 

Sounds like Lou is volunteering to become your roommate. I hear he's mostly easy to live with, but don't you ever, ever contradict yourself, even years later, or you'll hear about it.

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Lou said:

I was fortunate to learn it early on. Basically, my dad spoke to us in English and my mom spoke to us in Spanish.

Do you understand it completely? If so and you want to improve quickly, you have to be surrounded by people who only speak Spanish. You'll be surprised at how quickly you pick it up. 

 

"Just hang out at any Home Depot parking lot on a weekend." -Cals

[Taylor]

3 minutes ago, Tank said:

"Just hang out at any Home Depot parking lot on a weekend." -Cals/KC

Fixed

[Jason]

Welp! He’s about to face the wrath of the woke mob

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

12 minutes ago, Jason said:

Welp! He’s about to face the wrath of the woke mob

I'll be real curious to see how this plays out because Brees is extremely well loved by NOLA, has done a lot for the city and is a big part of the community.  If I were him given that he's still playing I'm not gonna lie I probably would have given a political response saying I respect their decision and tried to leave it at that.

[Jason]

7 minutes ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

I'll be real curious to see how this plays out because Brees is extremely well loved by NOLA, has done a lot for the city and is a big part of the community.  If I were him given that he's still playing I'm not gonna lie I probably would have given a political response saying I respect their decision and tried to leave it at that.

The flag and anthem represents something different to him than it does Kaepernick. This does not make him a bad person at all but he'll be labeled a racist over this. I sure hope he doesn't cower and apologize for having a different view of something. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

18 minutes ago, Jason said:

The flag and anthem represents something different to him than it does Kaepernick. This does not make him a bad person at all but he'll be labeled a racist over this. I sure hope he doesn't cower and apologize for having a different view of something. 

I don't disagree at all.  My point is right now so many people or businesses are getting blasted for what they say, don't say or because they don't say enough for some people.  Whatever anyone feels about kneeling during the anthem that's their right it's just a powder keg right now because of everything going on.  There's a local gym that apparently didn't jump on making the standard social media post about the current situation quick enough.  One woman responded asking what they're going to do to accommodate African Americans in light of everything going on.  It's a gym that anyone can join and she's angling for a discount.  This is only one woman but before the business could respond other people started posting insinuating they were racist because they didn't respond quick enough.  It reminds me of people getting tired of being told they needed to care about every little thing or that they didn't care enough that in a way helped Trump get elected.

[Tank]

9 hours ago, Catwhoshatinthehat said:

I don't disagree at all.  My point is right now so many people or businesses are getting blasted for what they say, don't say or because they don't say enough for some people.  Whatever anyone feels about kneeling during the anthem that's their right it's just a powder keg right now because of everything going on.  There's a local gym that apparently didn't jump on making the standard social media post about the current situation quick enough.  One woman responded asking what they're going to do to accommodate African Americans in light of everything going on.  It's a gym that anyone can join and she's angling for a discount.  This is only one woman but before the business could respond other people started posting insinuating they were racist because they didn't respond quick enough.  It reminds me of people getting tired of being told they needed to care about every little thing or that they didn't care enough that in a way helped Trump get elected.

it's like the slogan that's been used a lot in the last week that "silence = violence."

[angelinkc]

17 hours ago, Lou said:

I was fortunate to learn it early on. Basically, my dad spoke to us in English and my mom spoke to us in Spanish.

Do you understand it completely? If so and you want to improve quickly, you have to be surrounded by people who only speak Spanish. You'll be surprised at how quickly you pick it up. 

 

Sounds like our house. I have heard a few teachers say this is the best way to learn. They say it teaches the kid there is two distinctive languages. Mixing the two I guess creates confusion. One of my pet peeves is the ESL bullshit. Probably, needed for some kids but schools currently force Hispanic kids to prove their literacy. ESL students justify jobs which make it difficult for kids to escape the program. The kids get pulled from regular classes to attend ESL and miss classroom instruction. Most these kids would be better off not missing classroom time. This is damn near segregation in my opinion.