Greg Mahle is doing terribly at AAA

[Oz27]

Remember when it seemed like he might be good? He's still really young, but he is being torn apart at AAA at the moment. In 17 appearances he has a 7.36 ERA, 2.018 WHIP and just 6.4 K/9 to go with a 4.4 BB/9. I guess it's not a huge sample size, but it's freaking terrible.

I don't know if anyone cares about Greg Mahle anymore, but I was stunned when I saw how badly he's doing.

[totdprods]

He was rushed a bit. He throws from so many different angles I am sure he is having a hard time keeping his mechanics and and confidence in line. He has good stuff though, and at worst I think he'd still be a good lefty specialist option as soon as this September. Hope he can avoid becoming Michael Roth 2.0.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Oz27 said:

Remember when it seemed like he might be good? He's still really young, but he is being torn apart at AAA at the moment. In 17 appearances he has a 7.36 ERA, 2.018 WHIP and just 6.4 K/9 to go with a 4.4 BB/9. I guess it's not a huge sample size, but it's freaking terrible.

I don't know if anyone cares about Greg Mahle anymore, but I was stunned when I saw how badly he's doing.

They should have sent him to AA to work on the things he needed to IMO.  Salt Lake City is a rough place to pitch, it's likely even harder when you're a RP and you're trying to fix something.  My guess from looking at his stats and having watched a couple of his games is he's trying to throw harder and getting the usual results you see when a guy tries to Bartolo Colon his way out of a rough patch.   He had never pitched in AAA until after his demotion this season.   Tough transition to make IMO.

[Chuck]

Tyler DeLoach should be our left-handed specialist out of the bullpen. 

[beatlesrule]

Gross. I'm optimistic that he figures it out though.

[Jason]

9 hours ago, Oz27 said:

Remember when it seemed like he might be good? He's still really young, but he is being torn apart at AAA at the moment. In 17 appearances he has a 7.36 ERA, 2.018 WHIP and just 6.4 K/9 to go with a 4.4 BB/9. I guess it's not a huge sample size, but it's freaking terrible.

I don't know if anyone cares about Greg Mahle anymore, but I was stunned when I saw how badly he's doing.

I saw enough of him to know that he sucks at pitching. I'm not shocked

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Chuckster70 said:

Tyler DeLoach should be our left-handed specialist out of the bullpen. 

He was doing well, and then July hit.   He's struggled both at AAA and at AA this month.

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

Well, if you don't have the velo then you need the trickery. But, if you fall into the same patterns of pitches being thrown in each arm slot your not tricking anyone.

[Oz27]

11 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

They should have sent him to AA to work on the things he needed to IMO.  Salt Lake City is a rough place to pitch, it's likely even harder when you're a RP and you're trying to fix something.  My guess from looking at his stats and having watched a couple of his games is he's trying to throw harder and getting the usual results you see when a guy tries to Bartolo Colon his way out of a rough patch.   He had never pitched in AAA until after his demotion this season.   Tough transition to make IMO.

Yeah, good points. Plus it would be silly to give up on someone so young (see Bedrosian, even though he has infinitely better stuff). But if he keeps pitching like this, he'll find himself on the DFA scrap heap soon enough.

[Jason]

@Oz27 you should have bumped the "Mahle is here to stay" thread

[Oz27]

9 minutes ago, Angels N Skins said:

@Oz27 you should have bumped the "Mahle is here to stay" thread

I did that when he got sent down and got my head bitten off! But yes, as was completely obvious at the time, that was an overreaction of epic proportions.

[John Stellman]

13 hours ago, Oz27 said:

Remember when it seemed like he might be good? He's still really young, but he is being torn apart at AAA at the moment. In 17 appearances he has a 7.36 ERA, 2.018 WHIP and just 6.4 K/9 to go with a 4.4 BB/9. I guess it's not a huge sample size, but it's freaking terrible.

I don't know if anyone cares about Greg Mahle anymore, but I was stunned when I saw how badly he's doing.

He's a never was!

[Inside Pitch]

4 hours ago, Angels N Skins said:

I saw enough of him to know that he sucks at pitching. I'm not shocked

Just a few of your other observations about young RPs...

Posted June 1 · Report post  

 

Welcome to the HOF Mr Mahle...

[Jason]

I admitted in a thread the other day that I was completely wrong about Bedrosian and am willing to eat Crow

 

[Inside Pitch]

31 minutes ago, Angels N Skins said:

I admitted in a thread the other day that I was completely wrong about Bedrosian and am willing to eat Crow

 

Just busting your chops -- young RPs are probably the hardest of any players for us fans to get right..  Small samples and usage play such big on how they end up performing...  So much of being a reliever is how well they bounce back from failure too.  With Bedrosian it all seemed to be in his head....then one day, it seemed it wasn't...

Mahle doesn't have Bedrosian's talent -- but I do believe some of what he is dealing with is in his head.  Not sure how his psyche would take it, but I would have sent him down to AA to relax when he started getting bombed in AAA.

 

[ettin]

LOL IP, I was thinking the exact same thing when I started reading this thread.

Bullpen variance is really high everyone. Reliever performance is rarely consistent except with the really cream of the crop guys and even they have a bad day now and again. Sometimes it is mechanical-related, sometimes they have an undisclosed injury, or even tipping their pitches unknowingly.

It is truly a difficult game to master and I didn't even mention the pitcher-catcher relationships, keeping runners on, and all of the mental side of things too.

I think Mahle will be fine he just needs to work out his issues. He was great early last year.

[ten ocho recon scout]

16 hours ago, Oz27 said:

Yeah, good points. Plus it would be silly to give up on someone so young (see Bedrosian, even though he has infinitely better stuff). But if he keeps pitching like this, he'll find himself on the DFA scrap heap soon enough.

then he picks up a phone...

[Inside Pitch]

13 hours ago, ettin said:

Bullpen variance is really high everyone. Reliever performance is rarely consistent except with the really cream of the crop guys and even they have a bad day now and again.

I don't mean this as a slight in any way shape or form -- but Angel fans who lived through the Scot Shields era got spoiled..   Shields skewed our view of what to expect from individual RPs...  Volatility is the norm, what he did was just very different and we were very lucky.

 

[Inside Pitch]

22 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

then he picks up a phone...

To his credit he's trying to do Grilli V 2.0 with Drew Storen.   Didn't get off to the best of starts last night but nothing ventured nothing gained.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Inside Pitch said:

I don't mean this as a slight in any way shape or form -- but Angel fans who lived through the Scot Shields era got spoiled..   Shields skewed our view of what to expect from individual RPs...  Volatility is the norm, what he did was just very different and we were very lucky.

 

Spoiled with Shields, Percy, and K-Rod.    Even Donnelly was only really good for 2+ seasons.

[Inside Pitch]

14 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Spoiled with Shields, Percy, and K-Rod.    Even Donnelly was only really good for 2+ seasons.

Our plus bullpens started in the late mid  90s and carried over until the late 00s..  

Percy, Holtz, James, Shiggy era was the start of it... then we saw a steady flow of guys like  Petkovsek, DeLucia, Magnante, Levine, Fyhrie .. all of them cast offs in some capacity but solid bullpen pieces...  Then came the guys you listed and total bullpen dominance.

We had a good 15 year run where the pen was pretty stout.

[ten ocho recon scout]

ive always felt the bullpen back then was our own version of moneyball. while we couldnt afford the frontline FA starters back then, we spent more wisely (for our budget) and super solid pens before it became so common. 

[Stradling]

I told my brother we need to sign 9 Scot Shields this off season since we will be going into the season with 3 starting pitchers. 

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Our plus bullpens started in the late mid  90s and carried over until the late 00s..  

Percy, Holtz, James, Shiggy era was the start of it... then we saw a steady flow of guys like  Petkovsek, DeLucia, Magnante, Levine, Fyhrie .. all of them cast offs in some capacity but solid bullpen pieces...  Then came the guys you listed and total bullpen dominance.

We had a good 15 year run where the pen was pretty stout.

Weber had a decent/solid run for 3 seasons as well. 

[Docwaukee]

On 7/27/2016 at 2:32 AM, Inside Pitch said:

They should have sent him to AA to work on the things he needed to IMO.  Salt Lake City is a rough place to pitch, it's likely even harder when you're a RP and you're trying to fix something.  My guess from looking at his stats and having watched a couple of his games is he's trying to throw harder and getting the usual results you see when a guy tries to Bartolo Colon his way out of a rough patch.   He had never pitched in AAA until after his demotion this season.   Tough transition to make IMO.

my understanding is that they use giant Dickey Stevens to make guys comfortable pitching to contact and then SLC make them work on their location and keeping the ball down in the zone.  

Oddly enough, Mahle has been worse against lefties his entire minor league career.  He throws 88mph.  He's gonna have a very tough time finding his way back to the majors.  

Even though DeLoach got demoted to AA recently (not sure why as he had 1 really bad appearance at AAA where he gave up 6 runs yet was very good otherwise), I think we'll see him up before the end of the year.  He's super nasty against lefties.  

I really don't think MS likes lefty specialists.  Even Alvarez, who has shown to be very good vs. lefties and pretty bad vs. righties, doesn't get matched up very often.  This year is a good example.  

Prospect wise, the next guy to look out for is Kevin Grendell who we picked up from the Orioles.  He's 22 and has spent time at A and A+ this year.  Has a 14.7 k/9 this year in 38.2 ip.  Control issues are hurting him though with 16bb in 20ip at A+