Medical Research by Country

[mp170.6]

Over the last 7 days i have had 34 diferent prescription drugs enter my body through IV, intravevous, pill or suppository along with a pint of blood and right now an IV drip while I sit at home watching the game.

My surgeon learned the procedure I just went through from the pioneer of radical cystectomy at USC Norris Cancer center and has given symposiums to the medical comminities throughout the nation and to foriegn medical professionals.

Without the tireless research by USC Nortis and shared information from all of the medical communities my life is significantly marginalized. In fact there would be an extreme lessened chance of recovery or survival.

To hear you jackasses bray on about insignification shit is pretty irritating. We lead the whole ****ing world in medical research. That is the point if the op. No one has been able to even scratch the surface of that statement instead redirect to more pountless political bullshit.

 

IV drip at home...let me guess, Vancomycin?

 

The word cystectomy really caught my attention.  I have a friend just diagnosed with Stage IV Urothelial Carcinoma.  Send me a PM if you want...no pressure.

[Blarg]

Yeah, I know MP. I saw your thread and I am sorry I can't do any more for you at this time. Your friend is in a far worse state with very poor position to recover. I was so extremely fortunate that it was caught at Stage 2 and had the good fortune of the case being moved to USC Norris for treatment.

I signed off on several consent forms to be a part of an ongoing study not only at Norris but through another cancer research project that is working with nodes outside of the normal biopsy zone. I figured if my life is slightly impared to offer others a better chance I needed to take the hit.

That is why this topic hits home and I just felt it deserved a little more than the usual political board hand job.

[Blarg]

I hope you are just kidding. I did not know you were sick. If so, you have my best wishes for a speedy recovery

I didn't realize either until a bout of burning pee caught me off guard in November. It was supposed to be a simple bladder stone but a cytoscopy revieled cancer. So many things you have to put in order when your not sure if there is a tomorrow. Looks like I get a tomorrow. Not the same as if I had just passed a stone but certainly manageable.

BTW NJ you are always on topic and bring information that is useful. I never really had any idea about the impact of Lyme Disease except for one obscure annecdotal account.

Edited March 9, 2016 by notti

[Jay]

You guys should try staying on topic. Especially when it is a good one.

 

the episode with the baby turtles was cute

[Angelsjunky]

Sorry to hear that AJ. Sounds like you treated it quickly if you are saying "had".

We get the trainwrecks that have been misdiagnosed, and/or ignored the symptoms.

 

I was lucky in that I got and saw the bulls-eye rash--which then spread all over my torso and arms--and treated it quickly. I tend to be more into holistic therapies, but after doing research I didn't want to **** around so went for the antibiotics. That was almost two years ago and no recurrences, so hopefully I'm OK (knock on wood). But I know people who live with chronic lyme and it sucks.

 

My youngest daughter was 4 at the time, is 7 now. She had it for a bit, with some weird leg pains, but seems over it now. I really, really hope.

 

By the way, this is a really good book. It is very "woo-woo" in that it advocates for a lot of herbal/alternative therapies, but this guy knows his shit and has been helpful to a lot of folks I know. Might be worth sharing with your more "alternative" patients.

 

if you're going to start taking shots at Braveheart, i'm afraid we can no longer be friends.

 

Dude. I saw Braveheart...in the theater.

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[Angelsjunky]

  

Did you guys know that it's not gay if it's a 3 way ?

 

Are you suggesting a three-way with you, Adam, and myself?

 

That would definitely be gay. Very, very gay.

[Adam]

Braveheart is shit

[Blarg]

You left out, The.

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[NJHalo]

I was lucky in that I got and saw the bulls-eye rash--which then spread all over my torso and arms--and treated it quickly. I tend to be more into holistic therapies, but after doing research I didn't want to **** around so went for the antibiotics. That was almost two years ago and no recurrences, so hopefully I'm OK (knock on wood). But I know people who live with chronic lyme and it sucks.

 

My youngest daughter was 4 at the time, is 7 now. She had it for a bit, with some weird leg pains, but seems over it now. I really, really hope.

 

By the way, this is a really good book. It is very "woo-woo" in that it advocates for a lot of herbal/alternative therapies, but this guy knows his shit and has been helpful to a lot of folks I know. Might be worth sharing with your more "alternative" patients.

 

 

Dude. I saw Braveheart...in the theater.

AJ, try out this book: Lab 257. It is the story of Plum Island, and the secret biological warfare research center located there. This is where Lyme Disease came from. http://www.amazon.com/Lab-257-Disturbing-Governments-Laboratory/dp/0060011416

[Blarg]

AJ I think you understand holistic is great for colds, maybe some bursitis but when a real medical problem occurs some good old research science is your best bet for survival. The root grinders are just guessing that their powder is the cure because of anecdotal results. Which really means misdiagnosis coupled with a placebo cure.

[Kevin]

Are you suggesting a three-way with you, Adam, and myself?

 

That would definitely be gay. Very, very gay.

Who gets AIDS and has to go to Mexico?

[Tank]

Braveheart is shit

You're a poopy head.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Great comeback, Tank. I have always admired your command of the language. Teaching is the perfect profession for you.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

That is not what I said.  But a lot of harmful procedures and drugs have been kept off the shelves here due to the process. 

 

A lot of useful ones have, too. Even when the research has been extensive and well designed, the FDA forces drug companies to replicate it and perform countless more studies before a medication is approved, regardless of how long it has been on the market elsewhere. A couple of cases in point:

 

Ibuprofen. It was available in Europe for more than a decade before it hit the market here. The research had already been done, with more than enough history from usage by people in the general population.

 

Cinryze (C1 esterace inhibitor). This treats hereditary angioedema, a condition in which the people who are affected lack a plasma protein, resulting in swelling in various locations of the body. Swelling in the espohageal area is usually fatal, because the treatments that physicians have been trained to use for other causes of esophageal swelling are either ineffective or they worsen the attack. This is nothing more than a protein that most people already have in their blood. It was available in Europe for approximately 20 years before it was allowed on the market, and it was safe enough to be given to infants. The number of people helped by this is small (there are an estimated 5,000 cases in the US). It wasn't until a drug company figured out that they could make a crapload of profit by charging Americans out the tail for it that there was any interest in making it here. One of the prisons that I worked in has an inmate who has this condition. Her medication alone is about five percent of the total medication budget of a system with 14,000 inmates.

 

Both of these were developed is socialist countries, BTW, but they have made most of their money here.

Edited March 10, 2016 by Vegas Halo Fan

[mtangelsfan]

Braveheart is shit

You choose poorly in film.

[Angelsjunky]

AJ I think you understand holistic is great for colds, maybe some bursitis but when a real medical problem occurs some good old research science is your best bet for survival. The root grinders are just guessing that their powder is the cure because of anecdotal results. Which really means misdiagnosis coupled with a placebo cure.

 

It really depends upon too many factors to make such a definitive statement - the medical condition, the patient, the doctor, the treatment, etc.

[arch stanton]

AJ I hate taking anything and avoid it if possible. But when something foreign starts growing inside me I'll be looking for someone who's willing to isolate it and extract it from my carcass.

[Blarg]

When you are not treating hypochondria then you should use real medicine. Seriously AJ the quackery in holistic is so thick you have asswipes like Dr Oz selling Garcina Cambogia on an unsuspecting world.

I have an appointment for a follow up with the most intelligent 28 year old surgeon you could hope to find. He assisted last Tuesday and was at my bedside every day in the hospital. He is discussing blood panel numbers to residents twice his age and some his age hoping to graduate. I joked "Excuse me but there is one guy in here that only has his WebMD degree, can you explain this?"

And he did. He can talk on all levels and obviously cut with the best and it would be an insult to suggest I could have beaten this with a holistic approach, just some green tea and east Asian barnacles and I'm sure my blood counts would stabilize.

There are people in the medical field that are just really Damn good at the worst of scenarios. They have the schooling, the decades of research, the tools to save lives and trusting anything else because, well, natural... Cancer is not natural.

Root grinders are more placebo than fact.

[arch stanton]

Don't be a cheapo, Eric. You'd need some rhino horn to go with that.

[Angelsjunky]

AJ I hate taking anything and avoid it if possible. But when something foreign starts growing inside me I'll be looking for someone who's willing to isolate it and extract it from my carcass.

 

Agreed.

 

When you are not treating hypochondria then you should use real medicine. Seriously AJ the quackery in holistic is so thick you have asswipes like Dr Oz selling Garcina Cambogia on an unsuspecting world.

I have an appointment for a follow up with the most intelligent 28 year old surgeon you could hope to find. He assisted last Tuesday and was at my bedside every day in the hospital. He is discussing blood panel numbers to residents twice his age and some his age hoping to graduate. I joked "Excuse me but there is one guy in here that only has his WebMD degree, can you explain this?"

And he did. He can talk on all levels and obviously cut with the best and it would be an insult to suggest I could have beaten this with a holistic approach, just some green tea and east Asian barnacles and I'm sure my blood counts would stabilize.

There are people in the medical field that are just really Damn good at the worst of scenarios. They have the schooling, the decades of research, the tools to save lives and trusting anything else because, well, natural... Cancer is not natural.

Root grinders are more placebo than fact.

 

You're creating an issue to argue when there is none. I'm not speaking for your condition or any specific condition, but I also think there is a time and place for holistic medicine. But yeah, there are a lot of quacks out there too. No disagreement there.

[Blarg]

Don't be a cheapo, Eric. You'd need some rhino horn to go with that.

Do you have any idea how much medical quality organic grass fed free range Rhino horn costs? Check the package, must of that is bone filler from lions killed by dentists. Not going to help at all, in fact you will grow genital warts.

[nate]

AJ, try out this book: Lab 257. It is the story of Plum Island, and the secret biological warfare research center located there. This is where Lyme Disease came from. http://www.amazon.com/Lab-257-Disturbing-Governments-Laboratory/dp/0060011416

 

The novel by Nelson Demille is so good.

[mp170.6]

I just wanted to say hang in there, Eric.  Don't let the rough days bring you down.

 

Up until last December, I'm embarrassed to admit I had little respect for the field of Urology.  I had this misconception that all they did was prescribe Viagra, Flomax, maybe some Bactrim or Cipro, and do Vasectomies in between. 

 

After seeing my friend struggle with much more serious problems, and now you, it has completely opened my eyes.

[Blarg]

It doesn't have the sexy reputation of the cardiovascular fields, that's for sure. Hopefully one day my young doctor won't have to use invasive means to cure his patients but I have a feeling that is well into his gray hair years. Until then we need to respect the amount of research that is being preformed by all fields of Medicine whether for cancers or other debilitating disease. America's data base is the most comprehensive in the world.

[Jason]

What sticks out to me by that graph is how distant #2 is.