Jerry Dipoto on his time with the Angels

[AngelsFanSince86]

Just a note on Scioscia:  He is 22nd all time for win % for managers with at least 10 years.  Among the 21 ahead of him, only 8 managed after 1950, and 15 are in the HOF.  He is also the active leader in win % for managers with at least 10 years.  

[seenoevil]

It looks like Jerry has found an ideal place where he will be treated much better, professionally and given the proper authority a GM should command. Seattle pounced at the opportunity of landing a top notch GM like Jerry when they had the chance. I think it's going to be a great acquisition for Seattle, but unfortunately  no so great for us. 

[Stradling]

It will be great for Seattle only if Jerry shows the ability to build a farm system.

[ukyah]

Having a Yes man is always an easier path for an executive.

 

 

maybe you should read the entirety of the article and you might actually understand what he said. this quote is a brief clip of a significantly larger quote.

[laagamer]

Jerry Dipoto quit on us. Go fly a kite. 

[NrM]

audio

https://soundcloud.com/mlbnetworkradio/angels-gm-jerry-dipoto-talks-about-not-always-seeing-eye-to-eye-with-mike-scioscia

[ten ocho recon scout]

Whats still missing from the big picture in all this is who else was involved...and its not people who uqually get mentioned in this

I liked jerry, but i also knew he gambled on something and lost. There were others involved that didnt take his side. Whether theyre right or wrong is debateable, but it wasnt just sosh vs dipo

[Docwaukee]

Whats still missing from the big picture in all this is who else was involved...and its not people who uqually get mentioned in this

I liked jerry, but i also knew he gambled on something and lost. There were others involved that didnt take his side. Whether theyre right or wrong is debateable, but it wasnt just sosh vs dipo

The inherent dynamic of leadership structure for the Angels made it possible for there to be sides.  There shouldn't even be an opportunity for the managers, coaches and players to decide whether they support the general manager or not.  Hierarchy should be established well in advance.  Any GM or president of baseball ops should have the job of everyone on the field in their back pocket.  

 

There is no question that Andrew Friedman or Theo Eppstein are in charge and if they felt it necessary to bring in a different coach, manager or player, then they would make that decision and even if there was some dialogue about it, their decision would reign supreme.  

 

The Angels dynamic wasn't like that and still isn't.  Scioscia isn't going to win every battle by any stretch, but the sheer fact that he's involved in certain battles a manager normally wouldn't be makes the Angels situation different than most teams.  Whatever gm we have is obligated to accommodate that.  Jerry didn't want to and so he took his ball and went home.  The most unhealthy part of it is that the owner likely becomes the tie breaker putting him into the decision making process.  No matter how well everyone gets along, it's never going to work as well as it should.   

[nate]

Scioscia hasn't had success in a decade now. Time to stop calling him successful

[Stradling]

Nate using that logic then Dipoto has never had success

[Pujols4MVP]

Eff past success that Scioscia has had, the now & future is what matters.

The Angels are like the Philly Flyers & NJ Devils. Going in the wrong damn direction.

 

Lets compare the way 2 franchise's are run in Anaheim:

Ducks & Angels. What would Samueli's or Murray do with Scioscia ?  Murray would probally have fired Scisocia in 2010.

They'd fire him like they did Carlyle despite Carlyle having been a coach during a championship season.

 

Scouting & drafting: The Ducks don't go full cheapo like the Angels did with Matt Harvey, they'd spend on international scouting like they've done with getting players like Lindholm, Andersen, Vatanen, etc.

 

Scioscia's coaching style has become outdated.

Randy Carlyle's coaching style became outdated too, the old style of having 2 scoring lines, 1 grinder line & 1 goon line doesn't work anymore.

Same with Scioscia wanting to have a bunch of RunnyBall players & defense specialists.

Edited February 20, 2016 by MikeScioscia4MVP

[Blarg]

maybe you should read the entirety of the article and you might actually understand what he said. this quote is a brief clip of a significantly larger quote.

I read the entire article. He is making excuses for not being good enough at his job.

[Troll Daddy]

Scioscia hasn't had success in a decade now. Time to stop calling him successful

Last two season were a success.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

you sound awful positive about something you are completely guessing about.

 

Condescending as always, I see.

[nate]

Nate using that logic then Dipoto has never had success

 

I agree

[Ohtaniland]

When a GM signs a 4 year contract it's probably not a good idea to bring in a 10 year plan.

[disarcina]

DiPoto is in Seattle. Anaheim has left his rear view mirror.

Let's move on.

A lot of time during the DiPoto-Scioscia era in Anaheim was spent denying (both sides and the organization) that there was any sort of communication problems, power struggle etc. between the two when clearly there was from DAY ONE, apparent to most folks who followed the team until finally communication and power struggle issues became too much for DiPoto to

bear.

Eppler is same situation -- Scioscia is a strong manager with 18 years at the helm, his swath and control over team

operations is a lot larger than his 'manager' title implies.

Having Bud Black in the organization should help as well as Ron Roenecke -- although I rather see Roenecke back serving

as bench coach.

[ukyah]

I read the entire article. He is making excuses for not being good enough at his job.

 

 

you're making excuses for not taking his comments in their full context. i'm already hip to your act, you serve your agenda and narrative by simplifying discussion into bullet points. it's the essential quality of the false premise. 

 

dipoto quit, that is fact.

dipoto quit because he was not good enough at his job. you state that as fact, but that is only your uninformed and biased opinion.

dipoto quit because the organization was dysfunctional, that is fact, supported by evidence. whether or not he should of continued in his employment is opinion.

[Troll Daddy]

you're making excuses for not taking his comments in their full context. i'm already hip to your act, you serve your agenda and narrative by simplifying discussion into bullet points. it's the essential quality of the false premise.

dipoto quit, that is fact.

dipoto quit because he was not good enough at his job. you state that as fact, but that is only your uninformed and biased opinion.

dipoto quit because the organization was dysfunctional, that is fact, supported by evidence. whether or not he should of continued in his employment is opinion.

Let's be honest ... you're say the organization was/is dysfunctional. Dipoto was at the helm and should be held responsible for his short comings as a GM. The poor powerless Dipoto excuse is getting real old around here. I hope he fairs better in Seattle ... ok I'm lying.

I have a sneaky feeling Eppler will do just fine.

[stormngt]

Scioscia hasn't had success in a decade now. Time to stop calling him successful

I guess that's based on a person's definition of success. I personally think division titles is successful. Not a championship but successful. In that case Scioscia hasn't been successfully I over a year.

Also coming within a game of the playoffs with the crap they had last year on offensive is about as impressive as winning 98 games the year before.

Edited February 22, 2016 by stormngt

[tdawg87]

I guess that's based on a person's definition of success. I personally think division titles is successful. Not a championship but successful. In that case Scioscia hasn't been successfully I over a year.

Also coming within a game of the playoffs with the crap they had last year on offensive is about as impressive as winning 98 games the year before.

 

1 division title in 6 years isn't successful.

[stormngt]

1 division title in 6 years isn't successful.

Was that title within the last two years? Than my statement was acuurate. And I stand by the fact that Sosa did a great job with the dogs he had last year.

[Stradling]

I'll agree with storm that Scioscia hasn't been the problem the last two years.

[tdawg87]

Was that title within the last two years? Than my statement was acuurate. And I stand by the fact that Sosa did a great job with the dogs he had last year.

 

You said division titles are what defines success.

 

In 2003, were the Angels a successful franchise?

[Troll Daddy]

I'll agree with storm that Scioscia hasn't been the problem the last two years.

Scioscia has never been the problem. The most successful Angels manager of all time. Will probably make the HOF as a manager wearing a Angels cap.

It's really that simple. Greatness always comes with criticism.

Edited February 22, 2016 by Troll Daddy