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GMJr @ 18

Probably moving out of the area, which I doubt will happen. Otherwise I've already adjusted to Angels being less than top tier. I still enjoy going to spring training, still enjoy an occasional game. What would excite me is new ownership (given the right new owner).

Average pitches per plate appearance is just under four. I would assume with the 9 walks etc, he'd be above that. Got to be 350 pitches or more..

17 innings, 29 hits, 9 walks, 14 runs. What on earth was his pitch count after all that?

Agree. That 57 is a great corridor from eastern LA county and parts of inland empire. 5, 22, 55 freeways nearby. Train depot and associated attractions could become relevant. OC central location-an entertainment core with nearby Disney..Core demographic for team lives in OC. When considering costs, put it in perspective of player contracts. Pujols 10 years, 240 million. Hamilton 5 years, 125 million. Total: 10 years .365 billion. Vs, projected cost of Ranger's new stadium @ 1 billion. Which likely can be financed out for three times as long as these player contracts. I don't see this as pie in the sky at all. Especially when you have Moreno's ownership since 2003 and a billion or so capital gain. Any fresh infrastructure will immediately show as equity. Plus Anaheim would probably give ownership some perks. Just not at the level Moreno and crew are currently asking for.

I think so, but much is unknown. How viable is the structure in earthquake and retrofit cost? Costs/and strategies for plumbing, electrical, electronic, seating, etc. etc. Cost/benefit ratio of upgrading current stadium vs. a new stadium. My gut feeling is if they extend current stadium, it will receive light/moderate remodel to extend it a couple decades. As you know this is an old baseball stadium by current standards and probably most of the life has been wrung out if it already. I doubt any remodel would be so extensive Angels would need to play at Dodger stadium for two years. If you're going to go that far and extensive, may as well build new-new facility under construction while existing stadium still in use.

Right..and when you're discussing renovating vs. new, some of these renovation and remedial costs explode quickly. So really the devil is in the details here. Then you toss in the very attractive prospect of developing from a clean slate-stadium and surrounding infrastructure. Very attractive loan rates. This could be a good place for an owner to think big! Not thinking that person is Arte Moreno but we will see.

As far as Angel stadium goes, I think there's lots to be studied and considered. I personally don't mind the current stadium and one course would be to repair/freshen it and extend the life 20 years or so. Down the road reconsider the issue. But, with low interest rates, additional revenue streams a new stadium would bring, and chance to develop the much of the area as a whole could firmly tip the balance in favor of a new stadium. The one thought I keep having in all this is the area has a great future. Many of the issues with lack of bars/restaurants should be fixed with good development plan, points of interest magnets, and additional housing to provide baseline customers. I think Angels would fit into this just fine..as long as they keep demands in check.

I wonder this... will he set up some type of long term course for the franchise? 70 years old, children have not been visible around club. Locking in a path which may or may not prove to be the right one? Or sell with course indeterminate? So future owner can plot it? I question whether he really wants to lock in a long term course, signing contracts that future owners have to uphold. I still have the hunch he's out in the fairly near future, and future owner will deal with this.

Also going in favor of the billionaire owner is the historically low interest rates. He would by no means have to pay all the stadium cost upfront. He'd borrow and amortize the cost over 30 years or more, probably the loan would be on the books longer than the ownership period. And go with the team during a sale. If he built/paid for the structure, he'd have equity in it. Another avenue for capital gain. And with depreciation, expenses and associated write offs.

Also consider the stadium location walking distance to Artic transportation center. It may not be putting a lot of people in the seats now, but it may have strategic future importance. I can't see more desirable location out of southern CA for Angels. And in southern CA almost any other location would be inferior for transportation purposes, weather, competition with Dodgers (too close), or demographics. Just because Anaheim won't roll out the red carpet for Arte (that ship has sailed), it still seems very possible an agreement can be reached between city and whoever owns the club. I don't get the feeling Anaheim is opposed to the team being there, I think it is drawing the line on subsidies and handouts.

Portland metro area 2.4 million, Las Vegas metro area 1.9 million. His potential share of LA metro 8.5 million(half the 17 million)-or more if team encroaches on Doggies. Lot of LA county is accessible to Anaheim as easily as Dodger stadium. OC alone 3.1 million.

Where would he go? Southern CA metro area over 17 million. Divided by two teams not bad, nice current location in reasonably well off area. Traffic patterns favorable to Angels from many locations. Mild weather. 3 million fans for years. Disagree on his bargaining power. Also not sure he's actually in a state to move the team..too old, succession plans etc. If that were to occur, my thought it would be under new ownership. And back to original point...what's better?

In that 13 years, plans will have to be made. Team can't steam towards contract end with no plan.

Re: Puig if he's cheap enough..Dodgers "giving him away" take a flier on him,. WTH not? Keep him till the headline "Angels trying to give away Puig."