Intriguing LF option

[Broad Street]

Especially for $8 mil over 2 years

[ten ocho recon scout]

True, at that price its not a bad option

[Inside Pitch]

$8 mil for the next two years combined for a left fielder is pretty good. Especially one that puts up the OBP that he does. You want players that can get on base? This is one of them.

 

I'm not sure I understand your math.   You say it's only 8 mil difference the next two years.... are you talking cap figure?  

 

CJ is owed 20 mil next year.   Werth is owed 21 mil in each of the next two years.  Swapping out CJ for Werth is only a net gain of 1 mil next year in real dollars but then you have the entirety of 21 million due the following year.

 

Do you really view Jason Werth as a 21 million dollar talent?  Can you project health and performance for Werth in 2017?   Both of those seem like a no.

[Broad Street]

According to baseball-reference, CJ is owed 18 and 16 leading to an $8 million difference over two years.

Do I view Werth as a $21 million talent? No.

Do I view CJ as a $18 million talent? No.

Pitching we have excess of. Left fielders we do not. It comes down to money. Are you going to add a $200 million contract in the off season, or are you going to eat $8 million over two years hoping he's a good stop-gap for someone in the minors?

He's got better defense than Joyce, a much better bat, and he plays all out. He'd be a good clubhouse guy, and if healthy like I think he will be, a good bat in our lineup.

[ukyah]

i still don't believe we have all the pitching everyone thinks we have. at the major league level, the offense has underperformed, while the pitching has overperformed. unless those projections are completely askew, both will level off, which means we need pitching...and a left fielder.

[oater]

Until you identified the "mystery" player, I was certain you were referring to Vernon Wells.

[maximus p]

$8 mil for the next two years combined for a left fielder is pretty good. Especially one that puts up the OBP that he does. You want players that can get on base? This is one of them.

You keep saying 8 million for 2 years, but that's only true if Wilson is absolutely worthless, which he is not.

[WallyWorld]

Same reason you wanted to get rid of Kendrick -- doesn't matter how good he actually is, he isn't as good as they want him to be.   Also like HK, he will at some point scuffle and everything he isn't gets magnified.

 

I understand your point, but I think it's much different when you're talking about a SP as compared to a position player - a 2B at that.

[Inside Pitch]

According to baseball-reference, CJ is owed 18 and 16 leading to an $8 million difference over two years.

Do I view Werth as a $21 million talent? No.

Do I view CJ as a $18 million talent? No.

Pitching we have excess of. Left fielders we do not. It comes down to money. Are you going to add a $200 million contract in the off season, or are you going to eat $8 million over two years hoping he's a good stop-gap for someone in the minors?

He's got better defense than Joyce, a much better bat, and he plays all out. He'd be a good clubhouse guy, and if healthy like I think he will be, a good bat in our lineup.

 

Dude....

 

CJ Wilson's contract only runs through 2016.   Werth has 2016 and 2017.

 

2015 34 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $18,000,000 

2016 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $20,000,000   may block trades to 8 teams in 2016     Earliest Free Agent: 2017

 

2015 36 Washington Nationals $21,000,000 

2016 37 Washington Nationals $21,000,000    

2017 38 Washington Nationals $21,000,000         Earliest Free Agent: 2018

 

That 2017 season isn't going to be free.  

Edited July 21, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[Broad Street]

Dude....

CJ Wilson's contract only runs through 2016. Werth has 2016 and 2017.

2015 34 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $18,000,000

2016 35 Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim $20,000,000 may block trades to 8 teams in 2016 Earliest Free Agent: 2017

2015 36 Washington Nationals $21,000,000

2016 37 Washington Nationals $21,000,000

2017 38 Washington Nationals $21,000,000 Earliest Free Agent: 2018

That 2017 season isn't going to be free.

I must have missed that during my drunk research. Maybe we could get a little salary relief too, but whatever. It's never going to happen, it was just an intriguing option to me.

[Guest]

It would be absolutely incredible if this team somehow landed Yoenis Céspedes in a trade. Imagine him in the outfield with Trout and Kole—it would be worth it just for Billy Beane's tears.

Too bad its not going to happen,

[Angel Oracle]

It could happen in the off-season (signing Cespedes).

[Mark68]

I think Cespedes would be a good signing this offseason. Whether that makes him a good trade target, I don't know. I suppose we could trade for him as a rental and see if that gives us a leg up in re-signing him.