Jeb Bush

[Adam]

Our elected officials dig war, Nate. I don't see any viable candidates from the two parties, who aren't down to kill some mofos

[mtangelsfan]

People overlook the fact that Bush Sr got us into a war because his oil buddies pressured him into it and Bush Jr used 9/11 to manufacture a reason to clean up what his daddy couldn't do.

 

Neither of them were good presidents.

 

I'm thinking and I can't remember a president that didn't get us into at least one conflict for a long time save Ford and Carter and they were both abject failures.

[nate]

Oh yeah I don't dispute that.

[mp170.6]

The desire for war goes deeper than partisan politics.  The Federal government is terrified of losing the expertise from the private sector defense industry. 

 

Millions of people working for Boeing, Lockheed, Raytheon, Rockwell, Northrup Grumman, etc. would be laid off and have to find jobs in other industries unless the United States gives them work (i.e. new wars to fight) to keep them working and developing new technologies. 

[LegendaryPujols#5]

One more war founder should be avoided or the world we know could reach his end. The BRICS countries are just waiting for some mistake from USA to attack the whole NATO structure.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I thought it was essentially impossible to steer a commercial jet in such a way that the wings can break off (without striking something). Am I wrong?

 

Yes. You can engage in maneuvers that exceed the design capacity of the airframe, causing structural failure. Certain weather phenomena can also stress the airframe to the point of failure. An attempt at certain aerobatic maneuvers would certainly qualify. Commercial aircraft are designed mainly for lifting capability, not maneuverability. If you look at planes designed for aerobatic maneuvers, the wings are much shorter in relation to the length of the fuselage.

Edited January 8, 2015 by Vegas Halo Fan

[wopphil]

Yes. You can engage in maneuvers that exceed the design capacity of the airframe, causing structural failure. Certain weather phenomena can also stress the airframe to the point of failure. An attempt at certain aerobatic maneuvers would certainly qualify. Commercial aircraft are designed mainly for lifting capability, not maneuverability. If you look at planes designed for aerobatic maneuvers, the wings are much shorter in relation to the length of the fuselage.

Good stuff Vegas. Is there any record/history of any large passenger jet being downed by structural failure?

[mp170.6]

Good stuff Vegas. Is there any record/history of any large passenger jet being downed by structural failure?

 

I'm not Vegas, but the most recent that comes to mind was the American Airlines crash in New York back in 2001.  Not 9/11 but a few months later, where the plane crashed into a neighborhood. 

 

The NTSB blamed the pilot for rudder use that caused the vertical stabilizer to fall off. 

[Lhalo]

Good stuff Vegas. Is there any record/history of any large passenger jet being downed by structural failure?

 

This wasn't a passenger jet but...

 

[Lhalo]

I'm thinking and I can't remember a president that didn't get us into at least one conflict for a long time save Ford and Carter and they were both abject failures.

 

Calvin Coolidge, the most underrated president of all time.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

I'm not Vegas, but the most recent that comes to mind was the American Airlines crash in New York back in 2001.  Not 9/11 but a few months later, where the plane crashed into a neighborhood. 

 

The NTSB blamed the pilot for rudder use that caused the vertical stabilizer to fall off. 

 

And that happened on climbout. They weren't even at full speed.

 

Think of it this way: You have a yardstick and a 12-inch ruler. The yardstick represents the wing of a commercial jetliner, and the 12 inch ruler the wing of a jet fighter, say. The longer stick is easier to bend - and break - if you put enough load on it.

 

In the early days of the Lockheed Electra, the engine mounts on the outboard engines were a defective design. At a certain RPM - which was near cruising speed - an outboard engine could begin to oscillate up and down, eventually tearing the wing off the aircraft. Two high profile crashes of Electras killed sales completely. Lockheed sold the planes they already had orders for, but no new orders were placed after the two crashes (one Braniff, one Northwest). Lockheed redesigned the engine mounts, retrofitted the planes that had already been built and incorporated the changes into new aircraft, but the damage had already been done.

 

If they had gotten it right to begin with, the Electra might have been a huge seller. Several are still in service today, and the airframe formed the basis of the Navy's P3 Orion, some of which will have 50 years of service by the time they are retired.

Edited January 9, 2015 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Vegas Halo Fan]

It's Wikipedia, but this is a fairly comprehensive list of aircraft accidents known to be caused by structural failure.

 

List of aircraft structural failures

[shellback]

looking forward to flying to boston this summer

[arch stanton]

Are any of those structural failures being blamed on Jeb Bush's unusually large head?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

 

I beg to differ.

[arch stanton]

https://news.vice.com/article/us-secrecy-slammed-after-new-claims-that-saudi-royals-supported-al-qaeda

 

Moussaoui, who is suspected of being the possible 20th 9/11 hijacker and currently locked up at the Federal Supermax Prison in Colorado, told the attorneys he was dispatched by Osama bin Laden in the late 1990s to keep tabs on who donated to al Qaeda. That list, he said, included Prince Turki al-Faisal, then Saudi Arabia's intelligence chief and Prince Bandar Bin Sultan, the former Saudi ambassador to the US who was in Washington at the time of the attacks.

Releasing those 28 pages might kill Jeb's chances since his dad called this guy "Bander Bush" and his brother probably knew all this all along. This would get Jeb destroyed in the primaries.

[Lhalo]

Eternal friends.

[Adam]

https://news.vice.com/article/us-secrecy-slammed-after-new-claims-that-saudi-royals-supported-al-qaeda

 

Releasing those 28 pages might kill Jeb's chances since his dad called this guy "Bander Bush" and his brother probably knew all this all along. This would get Jeb destroyed in the primaries.

 

 

He'd have been better off had he snorted H off of Putin's toes with a dildo in his butthole

[Crampknees]

He'd have been better off had he snorted H off of Putin's toes with a dildo in his butthole

Putin has an H spoon for his nipple ring. 

[mtangelsfan]

He'd have been better off had he snorted H off of Putin's toes with a dildo in his butthole

 

Wouldn't it also Hilary?  I mean this is known stuff.  Obama won't release the information either. 

[arch stanton]

Wouldn't it also Hilary?  I mean this is known stuff.  Obama won't release the information either. 

Yeah this could be just what we need to kill all the dinosaurs and jump start the next generation of corporate whoredom.

[wopphil]

I am sure Moussaoui is a highly, highly credible witness.

[Adam]

Wouldn't it also Hilary?  I mean this is known stuff.  Obama won't release the information either. 

 

 

Yeah but...D, not R so its chill

[shellback]

a depressing choice- bush v. clinton.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

a depressing choice- bush v. clinton.

 

If that is the choice I have to make in November 2016 - wow, just wow.