Bosch claims indicates benefits of PED use.

[Michifan]

The ESPN article about Bosch's comments on 60 minutes show that there is a clear benefit derived from those who have "enhanced." Actual benefits get called into question from time to time by those who wonder whether anything is actually achieved from such use. The relevant comments are in his descriptions of AFraud's remarks. He talks about AFraud's involvement in what he was taking, that he would carefully study the products trying to get maximum results and texted him after a 3 rbi day with a comment "Really good. Explosive." So what I see from that is that Rodriguez is able to recognize the results from a recent injection and recognize its results compared to others he'd had. He clearly believed in it enough to risk what has resulted and to pursue this program despite his known and acknowledged previous involvement.

 

Frankly the whole thing, and the fact he has never tested positive, makes me just very suspicious of most athletes, especially ones that seem to suddenly have improvement.

 

Here's the article http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/10281957/alex-rodriguez-meticulous-peds-anthony-bosch-claims

Edited January 12, 2014 by Michifan

[Taylor]

In before the pro-PED patrol arrive to talk about how the media has brainwashed us to believe that steroids give players an unfair advantage and/or are dangerous.

 

Sort of like how some smokers claim that second-hand smoke is a myth.

[Stradling]

There are pro-steroids people on here?

[Taylor]

There are pro-steroids people on here?

 

If you have to ask that, you're probably one of them.

 

[mp170.6]

I think the testing protocols are biased toward the younger, less-talented guys, who make less money. 

 

Players like A-Rod have millions at their disposal to spend on undetectable PED's.  He also doesn't have much to lose in the grand scheme of things.  His lifetime earnings will total $353 million ... so he loses $25 million in a suspension, big deal. 

[Inside Pitch]

Man -- this Bosch interview is crazy....   

[mancini79]

Man -- this Bosch interview is crazy....   

 

COMMON COURTESY!

[Inside Pitch]

I have revealed nothing, Sir!!!!

[HaloMagic]

I think the only person if here who believes that steroids don't aid performance is Bashbrothes.

I don't believe hGH increases performance, though.

Edited January 13, 2014 by HaloMagic

[mancini79]

Gnar! Now it makes sense why MLB went out of their way for Bosch. Guy would probably be at the bottom of the Miami Harbor if he weren't protected. I find it interesting that Manfred said that the entourage of AROD and other players threatened Bosch. Curious who the other players were. Also makes sense why Manfred and not Selig was at the mediation trial. He was the one that personally collected the evidence. Selig only acted on the information gathered by Manfred and his investigators. There is more slime on ARod's lawyer than Saul Goodman.

 

What I learned from all of this. NEVER accept a free trip to Columbia.

[Ohtaniland]

Well if Biogenesis wasn't exposed by a disgruntled ex employee, Alex Rodriguez might still be passing those difficult PED tests.

MLB should be embarrassed that A-Rod had passed all of those tests. This guy Bosch wasn't even a doctor. 

[mancini79]

And that Bosch created a regiment that can still pass today's MLB drug testing. So all those guys that were busted with biogenesis just need to obtain the same drugs and follow the program.

[Hollyw00d]

A Rod's defense could claim that Bosch texted him asking how his bathroom trip was after a night at don jose's

[Brent Maguire]

If you haven't seen the Bosch interview, you need to find a way to watch it.

Can't believe an associate of A-Rod potentially threatened to kill Bosch.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

The full 60 Minutes episode from January 12, 2014

 

There are a lot of stories summarizing what he said, including one from a Yankees fan site.

 

New York Daily News

 

PinstripeAlley.com

 

The Sporting News

 

Sports Illustrated

 

CBS Sports

 

Bleacher Report

Edited January 13, 2014 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Tank]

DVR'd it last night and saw a few glimpses of the interview. i doubt anyone has ever confused Bosch with being a moral person.

 

those texts look pretty damning for arod.

[Inside Pitch]

DVR'd it last night and saw a few glimpses of the interview. i doubt anyone has ever confused Bosch with being a moral person.

 

those texts look pretty damning for arod.

 

I've seen people try to dismiss the allegations against Arod because Bosch is such an obvious slimeball.   Do people not understand that in order to cheat, defraud, and lie to the world, Bosch is exactly the sort of guy you need?   It's not like Arod could have enlisted the US Surgeon General to help him get over.  

 

Today comes news that Arod is naming the MLBPA in his suit against MLB.  So, the guy that talks up how he's doing this not only for himself but for other players so they never have to go through what he is going through is dragging them into the mess.  From a legal standpoint he seems to be positioning himself to argue that the entire system is corrupt -- apparently only Arod is clean.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

DVR'd it last night and saw a few glimpses of the interview. i doubt anyone has ever confused Bosch with being a moral person.

 

those texts look pretty damning for arod.

 

I have to give Bosch credit. He says that had he not been caught, he would still be doing the same thing. I'm sure that is an honest statement.

 

It is clear that A-Roid was both purchasing and using PEDs. They even have texts from him to Bosch praising the bounce that he got from a particular mixture - and asking what he had for the next big night he had coming up.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Vegas Halo Fan

[Inside Pitch]

Here is the lawsuit

 

http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/ARODMLB01132014.pdf

 

So, if you do look at this -- scroll down to page 63 or so and read the actual ruling by the arbitrator..   Arod is basically F'd.  

 

The arbitrator acknowledges almost all of the Arod's complaints and defenses and blows them away by pointing out they really have no bearing on anything that's been aimed at him.  Basically he damn near comes out and says - yeah, Bosch is a creep, but it doesn't change the fact that you joined forces with this creep to try to get over.  The arbitrator fully acknowledges that MLB bought the files, but points out that Arod's people ALSO tried to buy the files and succeeded in buying others.  But maybe best of all -- Arod's defense is talking up not having been able to examine Bosch's Blackberry -- but at the same time, Arod was guilty of destroying his own Blackberry and cancelling his service to try to leave no trace of the record.

 

Also -- Arod's primary defense is that the SCIENCE proves he was was innocent -- the "Science" being the drug tests.  The ruling goes on to show that MLBs testing program didn't test for HGH from 2010-2012 and that Arod's regimine was designed to pass the test..   It's really rather comical.

 

A great read for anyone willing to take the time to go through it.

Edited January 13, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[Vegas Halo Fan]

If you haven't seen the Bosch interview, you need to find a way to watch it.

Can't believe an associate of A-Rod potentially threatened to kill Bosch.

 

I also wonder what would have happened to him had he accepted the offer to go to Colombia and "lay low until this blows over". He would probably have never been seen again.

[Dreams]

Watching the Bosch interview last night made it really obvious on how to prevent PED use.

 

Bosch said players are urine tested soon after games.  So, to avoid testing positive, the players (including A-Roid) are on strict PED intake schedules.  A-Roid would take his PEDs so they would peak during the game.  By the end of the game, all the PEDs in his system would be metabolized and undetectable.  

 

So the answer, to me, seems simple.  Test the players DURING the game.  Its simply a urine test.  There is plenty of time to take a piss while they wait to bat.  They should be tested soon before each game as well.  

 

Why doesn't MLB (and all other sports) do this?  

Edited January 13, 2014 by Dreams

[Blarg]

That was one hell of a face palm post.

[Dreams]

Eric, are you referring to my post?  Care to elaborate?

[ettin]

I also wonder what would have happened to him had he accepted the offer to go to Colombia and "lay blow until this lows over". He would probably have never been seen again.

 

Fix?

[Thomas]

That was one hell of a face palm post.

 

I don't know. Might spice up the 5 inning doldrums. Brings new meaning to 7th inning stretch.