Masahiro Tanaka rumors: Japanese ace wants $17 million annually

[gotbeer]

Masahiro Tanaka rumors: Japanese ace wants $17 million annually

 

So probably 6 @ $17 million.  Subtotal of $102 + $20 million posting.  so $122 million.

 

 

Darvish 6/$56 + $51 million posting.  Total $107 million.

Diaske 5/$52 + $51 million posting.  Total $103.

 

It's a bit of an overpay.  But still doable.

Edited December 27, 2013 by gotbeer

[Angels]

He's going to get more than that. 

[Chuck]

I'm not so sure he's worth it. Let someone else overpay. 

[DB24]

I'm not so sure he's worth it. Let someone else overpay. 

 

This

[Stradling]

I would take a chance on him at that price.

[ELEVEN]

Masahiro Tanaka rumors: Japanese ace wants $17 million annually

 

So probably 6 @ $17 million.  Subtotal of $102 + $20 million posting.  so $122 million.

 

 

Darvish 6/$56 + $51 million posting.  Total $107 million.

Diaske 5/$52 + $51 million posting.  Total $103.

 

It's a bit of an overpay.  But still doable.

Boras will probably start by asking for 10 years.

[Stradling]

If he turns out to be a number three starter then he would almost pay for the difference between what he gets paid versus what he is worth with attendance and jersey sales.

[Stradling]

Boras will probably start by asking for 10 years.

Not a Boras client

[Ohtaniland]

Boras will probably start by asking for 10 years.

His agent is Casey Close (Greinke's agent) so yeah same thing.

[SoWhat]

This shouldn't be a surprise. With teams like the Yankees and Dodgers in the mix, it's a guarantee that Tanaka will get at least 20m per year. 

[Chuck]

Great, we all know how the Greinke negotiations went with the Angels last offseason. 

 

I'm betting Tanaka ends up with the Mariners. If not them, the Yankees. 

 

The Mariners have had a big following with the Japanese fan base and the players over there with Ichiro as an Mariner all those years. They also have Iwakuma so Tanaka wouldn't be the only guy on the team that speaks Japanese. He'd have someone to show him the ropes of what it's like living and playing in the United States. If not the Mariners, the Yankees. They have the money and they have Kuroda on the team as well. I see the Rangers and Dodgers as favorites over the Angels as well. The Rangers have Darvish (though they may not have any $$$ left after Choo and Fielder) and the Dodgers have both the money and a history of luring in Asian arms over the years. 

 

Guys seriously, move on. We're not getting Tanaka. You're setting yourselves up for a big disappointment if you're counting on him. I'm guessing even if we offer more money than the Mariners, Dodgers, Rangers or Yankees, he will choose to go to either of those four places if the money is close.

[Stradling]

I'm betting that if the Yanks do sign him, it will be for $16-$17 mill the first year to keep them under $189 million.

As luck has it, that's EXACTLY how much the Yanks had left over since their signings earlier this month, at which point they shut down for some reason....go figure!

They'll give Tanaka more in 2015 and beyond.

It doesn't work that way. For CBT they take the average of the contract. So if they gave him $15 million the first year and $20 million the second year on a two year deal (this is just to explain it and not a guess of actual length of contract) the hit would be $17.5 million. So Albert's contract is roughly $25 million a season despite the fact that he's only getting about $16 million this past season.

[Brent Maguire]

So it looks like he'll probably get around 7/130 then with the posting few.

Not outlandish but I'm not so sure the Angels go that high.

[floplag]

absolutely zero chance i would pay him more annual value than Darvish got... he will not be as good

[Scott34]

I don't understand the complete lack of confidence in the Angels in this race.  The last time Dipoto publicly said he wanted a pitcher, he went and got him with a competitive offer.

 

Tanaka could be drawn to the OC due to living conditions, weather, pitcher's park, etc.  I'd give the Angels about a 20% chance here.

 

If not Tanaka, sign Capuano/Yoon/Baker and a reliever and move on.

[wopphil]

I don't believe this report for a second. No experienced negotiator would make the first move by throwing out an annual dollar figure, especially one this seemingly reasonable. In fact I gaurantee that Close is telling teams to make their best offers, not saying "my client wants 17 mil per year."

[wopphil]

I also agree that Seattle or Texas could be attractive options with their Japanese pitchers. I know that if I was going to Japan, the presence of another American on a team would be a big factor. Just not sure Texas or Seattle has the money to make it happen.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

I don't understand the complete lack of confidence in the Angels in this race.  The last time Dipoto publicly said he wanted a pitcher, he went and got him with a competitive offer.

 

Tanaka could be drawn to the OC due to living conditions, weather, pitcher's park, etc.  I'd give the Angels about a 20% chance here.

 

If not Tanaka, sign Capuano/Yoon/Baker and a reliever and move on.

I assume you're referring to CJ Wilson? He wanted Greinke.

 

I think the Angels have a, chance but I'd put their chances at about only 10%.

Edited December 27, 2013 by AngelsAndRamsFan

[floplag]

the change in the posting fee doesnt change what the player should get... if Darvish wasnt worh more than 6/56 then this guy should get about 5/50 tops.  i would do 5/50 but the contract value should not be significantly higher than Darvish less than 2 years later for a lesser pitcher.

[UCLAngel]

absolutely zero chance i would pay him more annual value than Darvish got... he will not be as good

 

This idea fails to understand that markets change.  Darvish had significantly less leverage in his negotiations -- he was only able to negotiate with one team.  Tanaka will be able to play suitors off each other.  The new posting system moved leverage from the Japanese team to the Japanese player.  It isn't a question of whether he will be as good as [insert pitcher name here], but a question of will he provide enough value.  So much changes in the market year to year that you can't compare contract values across years.  It just doesn't work.

 

The market sets the value.  Another player's contract from a different year, in completely different circumstances, does not set the value.

[Scott34]

I assume you're referring to CJ Wilson? He wanted Greinke.

 

I think the Angels have a, chance but I'd put their chances at about only 10%.

 

Sure but Greinke was an Angel already.  Obviously he was going to try to resign Greinke.

 

Wilson was a free agent - Dipoto said 'I want him' super early in the process - and got him.

[Scott34]

the change in the posting fee doesnt change what the player should get... if Darvish wasnt worh more than 6/56 then this guy should get about 5/50 tops.  i would do 5/50 but the contract value should not be significantly higher than Darvish less than 2 years later for a lesser pitcher.

 

What are you talking about? Of course it does.

 

Darvish could only negotiate with the Rangers, Tanaka can negotiate with EVERY big market ballclub.

[Ohtaniland]

If he doesn't sign with us then I hope he signs with the Expos.

[Stradling]

thanks for the clarification

that would put them over, then if they signed darvish for an average of $18 mill/year. it's not calculated until the end of the year, right?

Pretty sure it's calculated on opening day.

[UCLAngel]

Pretty sure it's calculated on opening day.

 

It's actually an end-of-season calculation using AAV (as you pointed out) of each player's contract pro-rated for the amount time spent on each team.  So if the Angels traded a player mid-year, the cap wouldn't be "dinged" for the player's entire salary, just that portion that the Angels actually paid.