What happened in the 9th inning?

[Blarg]

20 minutes ago, BTH said:

Adrianza and Trout both made outs, so their contributions were the same.

Yet, you say he “played his role” by striking out.

He played his role by attempting to hit the ball. Trout could have sent a mannequin in his place for all he did.

[BTH]

7 minutes ago, samwum said:

I love reading these and not being on a side. If anyone wants to talk about how Adrianza shouldn't be on the roster or on the field in the first place, feel free to tap me in WWE style.

You’re right, he shouldn’t be on the roster or on the field in the first place.

But he is because Perry built no depth.

Unfortunately, he probably is the 13th best, healthy position player in the Angels organization right now due to that lack of depth.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, BTH said:

You’re right, he shouldn’t be on the roster or on the field in the first place.

But he is because Perry built no depth.

Unfortunately, he probably is the 13th best, healthy position player in the Angels organization right now due to that lack of depth.

I agree:

 

[samwum]

37 minutes ago, BTH said:

You’re right, he shouldn’t be on the roster or on the field in the first place.

But he is because Perry built no depth.

Unfortunately, he probably is the 13th best, healthy position player in the Angels organization right now due to that lack of depth.

Yep, built no depth and destroyed some in the process too. All those ABs wasted on Velazquez. David Fletcher, Jeremiah Jackson, Livan Soto all shipped off for nothing back. Now Paris repeats AA while yet another loser gets ABs. Could have chosen between 4 different guys to try to develop into a quality major leaguer. Went with temporary negative WAR journeymen instead.

[AngelsLakersFan]

20 minutes ago, BTH said:

Yeah, I’d prefer THE answer if possible.

I know I’m not always gonna get it, but I’m gonna ask.

I suspect Washington does not really want to bunt. Most managers are generally against bunting these days anyway. Once Adell steals third it decreased the perceived value of the bunt, as the results of the play will hinge on Adell's baserunning ability and thus Washington took it off.

[AngelsLakersFan]

11 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I agree:

 

Got his ass

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Got his ass

My favorite part of him wanting Ehire promoted to the bigs was to release Adell to do so. And he gets upset when we have differing opinions when that’s an opinion he had. 

[Tank]

3 hours ago, BTH said:

False.

No one has explained why Adell taking 3B resulted in the bunt call being taken off.

i explained it.

[m0nkey]

13 minutes ago, Stradling said:

My favorite part of him wanting Ehire promoted to the bigs was to release Adell to do so. And he gets upset when we have differing opinions when that’s an opinion he had. 

Anytime you can get a 34 year old 80 OPS+ bat with a 0.6 WAR in 600+ games, you have to consider.

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, m0nkey said:

Anytime you can get a 34 year old 80 OPS+ bat with a 0.6 WAR in 600+ games, you have to consider.

[BTH]

38 minutes ago, Stradling said:

I agree:

 

Good to know that your reading comprehension is non-existent.

He’s not good, but because of the Angels poor depth and Rengifo’s defensive struggles, Adrianza would’ve been an upgrade defensively at second base.

We saw Rengifo make 5 misplays the last week.

(and, btw, I’ll admit I was wrong about Adell. He’s carrying his worth offensively, even though his baserunning has been awful)

[BTH]

27 minutes ago, Stradling said:

My favorite part of him wanting Ehire promoted to the bigs was to release Adell to do so. And he gets upset when we have differing opinions when that’s an opinion he had. 

I wanted him promoted while Drury was hurt so that they wouldn’t have to keep sticking Rengifo out there while he made at least one misplay a game.

Is it that hard for you to understand?

[BTH]

14 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

Anytime you can get a 34 year old 80 OPS+ bat with a 0.6 WAR in 600+ games, you have to consider.

You have to consider it when the GM builds no depth, Drury was hurt, and your second basemen was making at least one misplay every game that was costing them runs.

[BTH]

34 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

I suspect Washington does not really want to bunt. Most managers are generally against bunting these days anyway. Once Adell steals third it decreased the perceived value of the bunt, as the results of the play will hinge on Adell's baserunning ability and thus Washington took it off.

I’m not sure the results hinge on Adell’s baserunning since he could just stay put at third.

Maybe it is an issue of perceived value though.

[T.G.]

I’m going to need to see a one paragraph summary of this discussion by 8 am tomorrow.

[Stradling]

15 minutes ago, BTH said:

I wanted him promoted while Drury was hurt so that they wouldn’t have to keep sticking Rengifo out there while he made at least one misplay a game.

Is it that hard for you to understand?

At the cost of Adell, it’s impossible to understand. 

[samwum]

15 minutes ago, T.G. said:

I’m going to need to see a one paragraph summary of this discussion by 8 am tomorrow.

One side with numbers from 2010-2015 which said they were right. One side with numbers from like 1940 to present which said they were right. Everyone was wrong, Ehire Adrianza is an automatic out and none of the probabilities would have mattered. 

[BTH]

18 minutes ago, Stradling said:

At the cost of Adell, it’s impossible to understand. 

Again, I admit I was wrong about the Adell thing.

His offense has been great lately.

At the time, in my opinion, Rengifo’s defense was unplayable and something had to be done.

[BTH]

18 minutes ago, samwum said:

One side with numbers from 2010-2015 which said they were right. One side with numbers from like 1940 to present which said they were right. Everyone was wrong, Ehire Adrianza is an automatic out and none of the probabilities would have mattered. 

Which is why Drury or Thaiss should’ve hit for Adrianza in that spot.

[samwum]

1 minute ago, BTH said:

Which is why Drury or Thaiss should’ve hit for Adrianza in that spot.

Well obviously. Is that up for debate?

IIRC Rengifo was also available and ended up hitting for Neto who also would have been more ideal than Adrianza. I think the only question is if you want to pinch hit during an 0-1 count. 

[BTH]

Just now, samwum said:

Well obviously. Is that up for debate? I think the only question is if you want to pinch hit during an 0-1 count. 

That part seems to be up for debate.

I say yes, but some others on here said no.

[AngelsLakersFan]

35 minutes ago, BTH said:

I’m not sure the results hinge on Adell’s baserunning since he could just stay put at third.

Maybe it is an issue of perceived value though.

He could, but then you're really going to tell Adell to stand still on top of the bag and wait? I'm not saying he shouldn't have, only that I suspect Wash isnt the type who's going to tell a young player to take a play off. This added consideration also decreases the perceived value of the bunt, imo.

[BTH]

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

He could, but then you're really going to tell Adell to stand still on top of the bag and wait? I'm not saying he shouldn't have, only that I suspect Wash isnt the type who's going to tell a young player to take a play off. This added consideration also decreases the perceived value of the bunt, imo.

Reasonable and well-thought analysis.

Thank you.

[samwum]

7 minutes ago, BTH said:

That part seems to be up for debate.

I say yes, but some others on here said no.

Yeah that's fair, I say yes too but that one could go either way.

[Tank]

1 hour ago, T.G. said:

I’m going to need to see a one paragraph summary of this discussion by 8 am tomorrow.

here you go.