Would you give Phil Nevin a Contract Extension?

[Slegnaac]

I would offer him another one year contract, but let him know that he is going to have a new pitching coach and bullpen staff.

 

 

[Dtwncbad]

Even if you like Nevin, there is no reason for an extension right now.  He is under contract.

If the team falls apart, he is gone.

If the team wins the World Series, he will want to stay anyway, so it won’t be hard to keep him.

So why bother trying to solve a problem right that you don’t have?

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

IF they were to Fire Nevin.... Replacement is in house....

 

Denny Hocking to finish the season.

And bring back Ethan Katz to run the pitching staff. (Yeah, I know he's under contract with the Sox trade for him).

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

4 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Start with letting Wise go now.  Let the Driveline guy handle the pitchers for the rest of the season.

Yes and No.

[Second Base]

I don't see much difference between Nevin's in game decisions and anyone else. 

So yes, extend him. Or don't. I don't care. It won't change the outcome of the game or the team. 

[The Ghost of Bob Starr]

Today. one more year.   I’d let the season play out.  Also like to know what Ohtani and trout think.  

[greginpsca]

If Nevin were to be let go, and they went in-house, i would hire the manager at double A.

[Stradling]

Still shocked it’s only 10 no for every yes. 

[ten ocho recon scout]

11 hours ago, Jay said:

In retrospect that was really the beginning of the end, when Arte changed his mind about selling. Everything made perfect sense up to that point. No long-term deals. Extend Ohtani for one year, sign Nevin for one year, but then...

I'm far from the biggest Moreno hater on here. (I've actually defended him most of the time, and still like him...)

 

But holy sh*t...

 

Backing out on selling, "just because" was such a bad move.

I'm not saying he needed to go crazy on spending to justify staying. Look at the Mets and Padres for how bad of an idea that could be. 

But to shock everyone by staying, and basically going status quo is literally the next chapter in the book for.how bad the org has been run the past decade.

Couple that with Ohtani as good as gone at this point, and getting nothing from that....

 

.... with Arte staying on past Ohtani...

 

Gonna bug the shit out of everyone for years.

[ten ocho recon scout]

5 hours ago, Second Base said:

I don't see much difference between Nevin's in game decisions and anyone else. 

So yes, extend him. Or don't. I don't care. It won't change the outcome of the game or the team. 

Agreed. I can't blame him for anything off the top of my head. Any guy replacing him will depend on Ohtani hitting home runs, then hoping Rendon lasts a week. Pen doesn't Angel pen. Etc etc.

Even the early versions of AI could replace him and nothing would change.

[Warfarin]

9 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

It remains unclear to me how much a manager really matters or impacts wins and losses. That said, while Maddon liked to play 4-D chess in odd ways and Sosh was stubbornly set in his ways and overly enamored with 80s-style small-ball, I don't remember nightly head-scratchers from either one like we see from Nevin - moves that people regularly say "WTF" to as they're happening and before anything goes wrong. With Sosh and Maddon, it was usually after the fact: "Well, that turned out to be a dumb call." With Nevin it is more like, "This won't go well" - and it often doesn't.

But really, the focus should be more on the GM. The GM constructs the roster and is ultimately responsible for the talent on the field. A couple factors make it tricky to analyze: inheritance from past GMs and owner role (including payroll). So while we cannot lay everything solely on the GM's door-step, they tend to have the most say in how good a team is than anyone else in the organization.

Before you say, "But if the owners don't open their vault, they can't build a good team," look at the Athletics over the last three decades or the Rays or other teams that find a way to intelligently build good teams, again and again, despite lower payrolls. Even the Astros have had a similar or lower payroll than the Angels over the last eight years, and we see very different outcomes.

Any halfway decent manager can lead a talented team to victories. If Nevin had a good team, he could only do so much damage. And the best manager in the world won't make a mediocre team great. There is no proof that Nevin's tough guy mentality has been any better or worse than Maddon's touchy-feely vibe. The team just isn't good enough and the minor league system just isn't producing adequate talent. 

I fully agree with this.  Managers do have an impact, but it is a much smaller impact in this era of time when a lot of the decisions are made in the FO, not on the field.

As I mentioned in other threads, I do think that it is rather difficult for GMs to oversee quick, immediate change.  The only way to really see that happen would be for a GM to inherit a team in the middle of a teardown already, and then accelerate it.  Anthopoulus gets a lot of credit in ATL, but that team was already several years into rebuilding when he took over.

I think Minasian is on the right track to the extent that someone in his shoes could be.  He is working for an owner who refuses to rebuild and conduct a fire sale, which means that the GM has to keep adding.  He inherited a rather weak farm system and a team that had multiple albatross-type contracts on the payroll, as well as a lot of money committed to a star who was actually performing (albeit hurt a fair amount).

When you take all those factors together, inevitably it would be hard for any GM to truly turn around a franchise quickly.  Minasian has made some rather solid moves, such as signing Estevez, trading Syndergaard for Moniak, flipping Marsh for O'Hoppe, and so on.  I think he (or rather the guys he has hired) drafted rather well in 2022, and we'll see how 2023 looks.

Unfortunately, it is "too late" in terms of retaining Ohtani, but that does not mean all is lost.  He can likely get some very solid prospects who can make an immediate impact in trading Ohtani, and he can spread the money savings around in the offseason to help fuel depth in the same way that he did this last offseason.

Hiring a new manager will help, although I don't think it'll make that much of a difference in the end.

[T.G.]

Extension? He might not make it through the season

[Angelsjunky]

 

Edited July 18, 2023 by Angelsjunky

[Biergott]

Where is the not even if hell froze over option?

[Angelsjunky]

People you'd rather see manage the Angels.

I'll start. The Future Angels guy.

[Angelsjunky]

Scott Schoeneweiss's left ball (or is it his right?).

[Stradling]

Swordsman78

[T.G.]

Gwen Stefani

[ELEVEN]

1 hour ago, T.G. said:

Gwen Stefani

No doubt

[Mark68]

No, I wouldn't. Then again, I don't know who they replace him with...

Edited July 18, 2023 by Mark68

[Jay]

16 hours ago, Mark68 said:

No, I wouldn't. Then again, I don't know who they replace him with...

Somebody dumb enough or desperate enough to take the job as Angels manager.