K-Rod HOF chances

[Erstad Grit]

I don't feel like I've heard much discussion here, but might we have another HOF on the way?

Looking at their careers I think he's a tick better than Wagner who is gaining some momentum in voting.

No chance K-Rod gets in year 1, but down the line if closers get more representation, I can see him getting in. 

[Blarg]

None. 

[Make Angels Great Again]

Pretty unlikely. The only thing he has going for him is the single season save record and being 4th on the saves leaderboard. Probably not enough.

Here is the top 30 WAR leaderboard for relievers.

 

 

[Hubs]

I think the 437 saves and the single season leader get him in. 

[Roy Hobbs]

Rodriguez is a marginal candidate for the HOF and in today's world I think the two domestic violence arrests keep him out.

[Erstad Grit]

1 hour ago, Hubs said:

I think the 437 saves and the single season leader get him in. 

He also had playoff dominance. 

 

[Erstad Grit]

1 hour ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

Pretty unlikely. The only thing he has going for him is the single season save record and being 4th on the saves leaderboard. Probably not enough.

Here is the top 30 WAR leaderboard for relievers.

 

 

Where are you getting Krod war numbers? Baseball reference has it much higher. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Erstad Grit

[Pancake Bear]

A chance? Maybe, but I wouldn't bet anything on it.  

[Make Angels Great Again]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

Where are you getting Krod war numbers? Baseball reference has it much higher. 

 

Fangraphs. They have the option to sort by top relievers all time. BBRef doesn't have that option as far as I can tell. Theirs is just "pitchers" which would include starters, skewing the data.

[Make Angels Great Again]

@Erstad Grit i'm more curious why you think k-rod is better than Billy Wagner? 

 

Wagner smokes him in most stats. Better ERA, ERA+,FIP, WHIP, K:BB, WAR, WPA. But k-rod had 15 more saves in 73 more innings.

[Angel Oracle]

Bruce Sutter is in the HOF.

[Taylor]

I say yes.

[jsnpritchett]

36 minutes ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

 

Fangraphs. They have the option to sort by top relievers all time. BBRef doesn't have that option as far as I can tell. Theirs is just "pitchers" which would include starters, skewing the data.

You can find BBRef's here:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_RP.shtml  

Just click on the column for WAR.

Looks like maybe Fangraphs shows WAR just when the pitcher is being used as a reliever?  BBRef seems to include people who were primarily relievers--but then you get Eckersley at the top of their list with 62.1 bWAR.  In their ranking, Rodriguez comes in 25th among relievers (24.2 bWAR), basically even with Bruce Sutter (24.0 bWAR).  Wagner is 14th with 27.7 bWAR.

[Angelsfan1984]

My sphincter still hasn’t unclenched from watching him close games. I say…no. 

[Erstad Grit]

3 hours ago, Make Angels Great Again said:

@Erstad Grit i'm more curious why you think k-rod is better than Billy Wagner? 

 

Wagner smokes him in most stats. Better ERA, ERA+,FIP, WHIP, K:BB, WAR, WPA. But k-rod had 15 more saves in 73 more innings.

Krod has more saves (including a 62 save season!!!!!) and that's despite he lost a ton because the Brewers had Axford closing for some reason. 

Wagner was a trainwreck in the playoffs while Krod had moments of dominance.

Yes I'm a homer too. Personally I'd put them both in, but closers don't seem to be represented that well. 

 

[cals]

4 hours ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

My sphincter still hasn’t unclenched from watching him close games. I say…no. 

This is disgusting and totally offensive.  I doubt you would have said the same if he was Caucasian. 

[Docwaukee]

4 hours ago, jsnpritchett said:

You can find BBRef's here:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_RP.shtml  

Just click on the column for WAR.

Looks like maybe Fangraphs shows WAR just when the pitcher is being used as a reliever?  BBRef seems to include people who were primarily relievers--but then you get Eckersley at the top of their list with 62.1 bWAR.  In their ranking, Rodriguez comes in 25th among relievers (24.2 bWAR), basically even with Bruce Sutter (24.0 bWAR).  Wagner is 14th with 27.7 bWAR.

I can't believe Firpo Marberry isn't in the Hall.  

Mildly interesting piece of baseball history for those interested in looking him up.  

[cals]

38 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

I can't believe Firpo Marberry isn't in the Hall.  

Mildly interesting piece of baseball history for those interested in looking him up.  

Legit, Firpo should be in.

[UndertheHalo]

Zero

[AngelsLakersFan]

2 hours ago, UndertheHalo said:

Zero

Id bet against him but I dont think it's zero

[UndertheHalo]

38 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Id bet against him but I dont think it's zero

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[HanfordGuy]

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Id bet against him but I dont think it's zero

 

47 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

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3.14159265359%

[Stradling]

He has a decent chance compared to many other players but he won’t get in. What is he, 4th all time in saves?  And the top 3 are all in the Hall. 

[Jay]

10 pages

[Inside Pitch]

Sutter, Gossage, Fingers, got in.  Wagner will get in first -- he stands a chance in time.