If the Angels managed to lock up Ohtani before Opening Day, would you consider this off-season a success?

[Taylor]

Imagining they make no other moves than they've currently made. 

[tdawg87]

Yes.

[BTH]

Easily.

If they extended Ohtani, the only way I’d answer no to this is if Arte announced that he changed his mind and isn’t gonna sell the team.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Trendon

[floplag]

I think you have to say yes and let the pieces fall where they may. 

[Pancake Bear]

58 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Imagining they make no other moves than they've currently made. 

I wouldn't mind if they made more moves, but I won't be devastated if they don't. Ohtani would absolutely make the off-season a success. 

[Sully151]

Duh.

[Second Base]

No. The measure of offseason success is how the team performs during the season. I will consider the off-season a success if the Angels make the playoffs. 

Ohtani alone is a contributor towards success, but not the answer. As everyone here knows, having the two best players on planet means Jack squat when they're not playing in October.

Edited December 22, 2022 by Second Base

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

10 minutes ago, Second Base said:

No. The measure of offseason success is how the team performs during the season. I will consider the off-season a success if the Angels make the playoffs. 

Ohtani alone is a contributor towards success, but not the answer. As everyone here knows, having the two best players on planet means Jack squat when they're not playing in October.

Somehow l take comfort in being able to watch Ohtani and Trout on a regular basis even if they miss the playoffs. l think l'd rather not see Ohtani win a Cy Young or a HR title for someone else...

Don't mistake my meaning l really want Ohtani and Trout to make the playoffs as Angels...

[Second Base]

1 hour ago, Ace-Of-Diamonds said:

Somehow l take comfort in being able to watch Ohtani and Trout on a regular basis even if they miss the playoffs. l think l'd rather not see Ohtani win a Cy Young or a HR title for someone else...

Don't mistake my meaning l really want Ohtani and Trout to make the playoffs as Angels...

No one here, myself included, wants him in another uniform. 

But using Ohtani as the measure of offseason success deliberately misses the mark. Would you rather win the World Series with no Ohtani or miss the playoffs with Ohtani? 

If you answer the latter, you aren't an Angels fan, you're an Ohtani fan. 

So logically speaking, you don't measure the success of an entire team based off one player. It's ridiculous. By that logic the Angels should've won the World Series every year since 2012 because they have Mike Trout. 

Offseason success is measured by in-season victories.

[Stradling]

Of course it will be a success if they resign Ohtani.  

 

[T.G.]

5 minutes ago, Second Base said:

If you answer the latter, you aren't an Angels fan, you're an Ohtani fan. 

[T.G.]

You can certainly judge the off season separately from the regular season results.  Injuries happen.  Trades happen.  Stuff happens in general that can derail a season and make it unsuccessful that have nothing to do with a good off season.

[Pancake Bear]

19 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Would you rather win the World Series with no Ohtani or miss the playoffs with Ohtani? 

If you answer the latter, you aren't an Angels fan, you're an Ohtani fan. 

That's a really dumb question. There are no guarantees in sports, but having an ace who is also an elite DH gives us a better chance of winning. I'd rather watch the Angels try for the World Series with the most sensational player ever than watch him try for it with another team. 

[Revad]

Considering the team is for sale, I like the off-season so far.  Extending Ohtani would be the icing on the cake.

[Second Base]

42 minutes ago, Pancake Bear said:

That's a really dumb question. There are no guarantees in sports, but having an ace who is also an elite DH gives us a better chance of winning. I'd rather watch the Angels try for the World Series with the most sensational player ever than watch him try for it with another team. 

I agree it's a dumb question, just like judging an offseason by whether Ohtani receives an extension or not. 

[ukyah]

6 minutes ago, Second Base said:

I agree it's a dumb question, just like judging an offseason by whether Ohtani receives an extension or not. 

i think i could not disagree more. the question on preference of losing with him or winning without him is dumb. it's a false comparison. nobody knows the future. the actions of the FO are based in the now with an eye toward improving their future potential. locking up ohtani right now would be one of the greatest moves they could make towards their potential future.

 

[notherhalo]

I think if they trade Ohtani it will be a success

[Warfarin]

 

Well-timed thread.  Here is a tidbit form that article that is relevant to this conversation:

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How high will it go? Hard to say, but I polled nine agents — not his own — to find out, and here are the responses.

Agent A: “He will definitely beat Trout, and you have to go from there.” (Mike Trout signed a 12-year, $426.5M deal)

Agent B: “Should get $400M-plus to a winner.”

Agent  “$430 [million] to $440 over 10 years.”

Agent  “10 times 45 [million]”

Agent E: “I think he goes to $500M or so, probably 12 years.”

Agent F: “$500M for 13/14 [years]— $250M per position”

Agent G: “475 [million]to 525 over 13 seasons.”

Agent H: “11 times 50 = $550M. Sounds crazy but he has the ability to consistently be a 9/10 WAR player.”

Agent I: “It sure seems like something that starts with a 5 in front of it.”

 

[Stradling]

4 hours ago, Second Base said:

I agree it's a dumb question, just like judging an offseason by whether Ohtani receives an extension or not. 

Sorry but that’s a really dumb opinion, but you are free to own that opinion. 

[Second Base]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Sorry but that’s a really dumb opinion, but you are free to own that opinion. 

Are you really sorry, Strad?

[Taylor]

2 minutes ago, Second Base said:

Are you really sorry, Strad?

If the Angels had signed a player of Ohtani's calibur (or even 60 to 75% of his calibur) to fill a need, would that not contribute to a successful off-season?

[HaloBronco]

ABSOLUTELY YES!!!

[AngelsLakersFan]

I wasn’t really expecting anyone to actually vote no…

[Ace-Of-Diamonds]

14 hours ago, Second Base said:

 Would you rather win the World Series with no Ohtani or miss the playoffs with Ohtani? 
 

Can you guarantee a WS victory by trading Ohtani?

[Stradling]

6 hours ago, Second Base said:

Are you really sorry, Strad?

Not at all.