OC Register: Angels GM Billy Eppler says they ‘stretched’ budget to land Cody Allen

[stormngt]

7 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

You don't live in a paid off million dollar house with nasty carpet.  You put carpet in the house.

Sorry we disgree.

Dont out more money in your home unless you can recoup it in appreciation.

[Jeff Fletcher]

So it turns out I’m wrong.

I read right over the word “excluding” in the middle of the string of what constitutes debt. 

Poorly written, if you ask me. The numbering should start over if it’s a whole different thing. 

Anyway, doesn’t change my opinion that we still don’t really know what the Angels “should” be spending.

 

[Dtwncbad]

23 minutes ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

So it turns out I’m wrong.

I read right over the word “excluding” in the middle of the string of what constitutes debt. 

Poorly written, if you ask me. The numbering should start over if it’s a whole different thing. 

Anyway, doesn’t change my opinion that we still don’t really know what the Angels “should” be spending.

 

Interesting.  To be fair, I don't think after careful consideration that I would be surprised to find a different standard for what is categorized as debt in that type of document.  It is a collective bargaining agreement, not a financial or accounting document.

It is fair for the players to expect that the owners do not get themselves so over committed that the health of the organization is threatened.

Seems more organized to not use the word debt for future salary obligations in that document but I guess it wouldn't be outrageous to do so as long as they are perfectly clear about it.

Anyway, all this stuff is pretty tough to nail down not because anyone can or cannot make the right argument.  It is tough to nail down because the financials are not public.

But transaction prices for teams are normally shared.  And that (again) consistently shows that buyers (who see the financials) are willing to pay staggering, shocking prices to be the next owner 

The only thing that would explain that is that the teams are making way, way more money than the normal fans or the media are aware of.

So I fully admit my position is theoretical, but so is the opposing argument.  It just seems to me that it is very, very likely that owners could spend way, way more and be perfectly financially healthy. . . Especially for an owner like Moreno who carries no debt from the acquisition.

 

 

Edited January 23, 2019 by Dtwncbad

[Jeff Fletcher]

8 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

 

So I fully admit my position is theoretical, but so is the opposing argument.  It just seems to me that it is very, very likely that owners could spend way, way more and be perfectly financially healthy. . . Especially for an owner like Moreno who carries no debt from the acquisition.

I agree with the basic assumption that owners make "a lot" of money and would still be making "a lot" of money if they paid the players more. But it's all relative and it's a slippery slope to start trying to tell someone how much profit is the right amount for them to make. Who gets to decide that?

I wouldn't want to go into a restaurant and have the waiter look at my clothes and my car and tell me I should order a more expensive bottle of wine because he thinks I can afford it.

 

[Lou]

I think the most important lesson we've learned in this thread is that Fletch is a baller. 

i think he should buy his son a car. 

[Lou]

On January 3, 2019 at 9:37 AM, Lou said:

it's extremely easy to spend the money of others

I agree 

[Docwaukee]

5 minutes ago, Lou said:

I agree 

SOGM

some other guy's money.  

[Lou]

2 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

SOGM

some other guy's money.  

is that like OPP? 

[Docwaukee]

2 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I agree with the basic assumption that owners make "a lot" of money and would still be making "a lot" of money if they paid the players more. But it's all relative and it's a slippery slope to start trying to tell someone how much profit is the right amount for them to make. Who gets to decide that?

I wouldn't want to go into a restaurant and have the waiter look at my clothes and my car and tell me I should order a more expensive bottle of wine because he thinks I can afford it.

 

The guy with the money.  

Even if the waiter says that to you, you're likely gonna order whatever bottle of wine you please.  

 

[Docwaukee]

7 minutes ago, Lou said:

is that like OPP? 

yah  

[2112]

On 1/21/2019 at 3:45 PM, Stradling said:

So what did you do with all of the profit?  

Jizz decreases over time.  

 

Ask any old man.

[Cosmo_Kramer]

Here are the leaked financial documents from ten years ago. Pretty interesting.

https://www.scribd.com/embeds/68522636/content?start_page=1&view_mode=list&access_key=key-22q9h12ipr6k79j2ain1&secret_password=2fz6h9oi8exmmc3oo654

[mmc]

Has Perry tried asking Arte to stretch the budget yet?

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, mmc said:

Has Perry tried asking Arte to stretch the budget yet?

They stretched the budget from last year. 

[Docwaukee]

21+7.5+7+7+3.75+10+1.5+1.75+2.15=61.65m

spent on Syndergaard, Loup, Lorenzen, Tepera, Bradley, Iglesias, Duffy, Suzuki and Mayers.  

I'm certainly of the mind that additional money could help improve this team.  But if you were Arte, would you hand out more money for more decisions like these?  And this doesn't even count the terrible decisions made spending the major league min.  

[Angel Oracle]

4 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

21+7.5+7+7+3.75+10+1.5+1.75+2.15=61.65m

spent on Syndergaard, Loup, Lorenzen, Tepera, Bradley, Iglesias, Duffy, Suzuki and Mayers.  

I'm certainly of the mind that additional money could help improve this team.  But if you were Arte, would you hand out more money for more decisions like these?  And this doesn't even count the terrible decisions made spending the major league min.  

Only when the scouting improves, will those decisions become better ones.

Here’s the kicker though.   Does ANY good GM candidate want to work for Arte Moreno, and will Arte ever allocate the necessary money for the nuts and bolts of a franchise?  

Without that, the scouting won’t be improved, and the results will be rinse and repeat.

[arch stanton]

Of course if Arte hadn’t allowed them to go years without making any effort towards international scouting and signing then maybe a few of those holes don’t exist to be filled by veteran FAs

[Angel Oracle]

10 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

Of course if Arte hadn’t allowed them to go years without making any effort towards international scouting and signing then maybe a few of those holes don’t exist to be filled by veteran FAs

This

There’s absolutely no excuse at all for, aside from Ohtani, only Suarez to have come from there over the past decade.

Edited July 5, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Redondo]

54 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

Of course if Arte hadn’t allowed them to go years without making any effort towards international scouting and signing then maybe a few of those holes don’t exist to be filled by veteran FAs

 

49 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

This

There’s absolutely no excuse at all for, aside from Ohtani, only Suarez to have come from there over the past decade.

Ignoring the farm for so long has really hurt the team

Building a strong farm is the key to success and continued pipeline of young cost controlled talent to the team

[arch stanton]

8 minutes ago, Redondo said:

 

Ignoring the farm for so long has really hurt the team

Building a strong farm is the key to success and continued pipeline of young cost controlled talent to the team

I don’t think they ignored the farm. They just ignored a pretty solid source of farm products 

[Inside Pitch]

7 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

21+7.5+7+7+3.75+10+1.5+1.75+2.15=61.65m

spent on Syndergaard, Loup, Lorenzen, Tepera, Bradley, Iglesias, Duffy, Suzuki and Mayers.  

Yeah but...

11 hours ago, mmc said:

Has Perry tried asking Arte to stretch the budget yet?

Removing Mayer's 2.15 mil it seems he was able to spend more per year on FA's this one offseason than Eppler was able to stretch for in his first three seasons as GM combined -- and that's including both the first year of Cozart and Upton.

But Jiminy Christmas that 2019 free agent batch was awful...  Shot yourself in the foot there Billy.

[Taylor]

11 hours ago, mmc said:

Has Perry tried asking Arte to stretch the budget yet?

Good bump.