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Payroll update


Dochalo

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Cahill - 9m
Lucroy - 3.35m 
Harvey - 11m
Bour - 2.5m
Allen - 9m 
LaStella - 1.35m
Luis Garcia - 1.675m 

Total of 37.875m.  

Shoe  (4m)
Parker (3m)
Alvarez (2m)

total of 9m  

about 29m total added for 2019.  

175m total payroll (not including benefits)

175m total lux tax total (including benefits)

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14 hours ago, Dochalo said:

Cahill - 9m
Lucroy - 3.35m 
Harvey - 11m
Bour - 2.5m
Allen - 9m 
LaStella - 1.35m
Luis Garcia - 1.675m 

Total of 37.875m.  

Shoe  (4m)
Parker (3m)
Alvarez (2m)

total of 9m  

about 29m total added for 2019.  

175m total payroll (not including benefits)

175m total lux tax total (including benefits)

That luxury tax number is not right:

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I should note that I replaced Almonte with Allen even though it has not been officially announced yet.

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1 hour ago, ettin said:

That luxury tax number is not right:

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I should note that I replaced Almonte with Allen even though it has not been officially announced yet.

I used 15m for benefits as does roster resource.  And as mentioned, I didn't Include benefits for payroll.  

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q7dlNaSqB4vip6QD88MCaahpPjiZrS7dgOam_TrElLg

updated

total major league salaries for 2019: about $186M (including $14M for bonuses and benefits, and they have some hefty incentives for Harvey, Cahill and Allen so that could go up.)

total figure for CBT (AAV and including benefits, etc): $169M

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Yeah, Jeff's number is right on.

Ettin's number is off because he had every one on the 40-man earning 555k, which they don't. The 15 guys not on the active roster, earn between 60-150k when they are in the minors, and the league minimum in the minors. So he's adding roughly 8 M to the payroll number.  Also his benefits number is $6M short.

Trout, Pujols, Upton, Simmons, Calhoun, Cozart are on multi-year contracts. Their AAV payroll number is then different. 116.25M Actual Payroll,  90.25M AAV Payroll.

Bour, Lucroy, Cahill, Harvey, LaStella, Heaney, Skaggs, Robles, Bedrosian, Garcia, Tropeano, JC Ramirez, and Allen are all on one year deals signed from FA or in lieu of arbitration. 50.601 Actual and AAV Payroll.

That's 19 players, 17 of which are likely to make the Major League Roster out of ST. One will be on the 60-Day DL. And Tropeano will likely be at SLC as he has option years remaining. All arbitration one year deals are guaranteed, unless they cut them in ST.

Kevan Smith, David Fletcher, Shoehei Ohtani, are all likely to make the club out of ST, while pitchers Jaime Barria, Felix Pena, Justin Anderson, Ty Buttrey, Noe Ramirez, Dillon Peters, John Curtiss, Taylor Cole, and Williams Jerez may also make the team, and Taylor Ward and Peter Bourjos (who is not on the 40-man roster) or Michael Hermosillio, and Jose Briceno may also make the club. Keynan Middleton (a likely ML 60-Day candidate) will be on the DL, and could be on the major league DL to save a 40-man spot. Ohtani could open on the DL as well, but it would be the 15-man.

Let's just say 8 of the above do make the club at 555k, that's $4.440 million, plus say Keynan Middleton makes the club on the ML 60-Day DL, that's around 5 Million. There are 17 guys listed there, 16 of which are on the 40-Man. The 8 not on the opening day roster make around $150k, since they've all been in the majors before. The other guys like Jose Suarez, Luis Rengifo,  Luis Madero, Jesus Castillo, and Jake Jewell all make less. Actually Jewell did see some Major league time, so put him in the 150k group.

If any of these guys get called up to the majors, they get a pro-rated 555k plus a pro-rated 150k for their work in the minors. So if say, Hermosillo is active for 36 days or 20% of the season, he's get 20% of 555k or 111k plus 80% of 150k or 120k, for a total of 231K. The 9 who don't make the club but are listed above are similar in contract value. 9 x $150 = $1.35+4 x 60= $1.5 M in minor league salaries for 40-man guys. If any of these guys are cut, in favor of say Walsh, or Thaiss, or Canning, their contract is not guaranteed.

But, say one or two of the guys I put in the 8 to make the club gets sent down, in favor of Hermosillo for those 36 days, then basically, his salary is reduced by that amount. So you don't count it twice. The only way this is counted twice is if the club control player is hurt in the majors, and goes on the DL, then call-ups would be additional salary. But this is a negligible amount. Looking at Cots' figures, it 

Basically if you perform in ST and don't have an option, you are likely from that group to make the team. Of the guys listed as club control - Smith is out of minor league options and Noe Ramirez is out...meaning they are likely to be in the major leagues. There are a few of the arbitration group also out of options, like Bedrosian, Robles and Garcia, who all will be in the majors.

The 25-man Payroll then is 116.25+50.601+5M = $172M plus the 14M in Benefits. That's 186M Actual Payroll, but the $172 M is the number most people articles use to describe "Payroll" and when you see articles saying we were around $165-$167 the last three years, this is the number they were talking about.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think this is a very reasonable spot for the payroll to be at. With it, Eppler has filled many of the holes while also not hindering future payroll, and carving a path for playing time from the youngsters without necessarily relying on their production. He built a team that could be a contender if things go right.

Some years, that may cost more, and others may cost less. Take 2020 for example. Let's pretend for a moment that Luis Rengifo is now batting leadoff, Jo Adell is batting second, Matt Thaiss takes over at 1B and Canning and Suarez fill in the back of the rotation, while Ohtani is healthy and is our staff ace. All pretty reasonable outcomes. That team likely would not require a great deal of investment to be competitive.

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who would have thought matt harvey would be our biggest FA signing this offseason? i don't think there's a man or woman on this board that would have bet that. how about our biggest FA contract being 11 million total guaranteed? 

crazy.

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