Gordon or Moustakas

[Torridd]

There seems to be a lot of buzz on the site on these two players. I wanted to know, given an either/or scenario, who you would pick. 

[Torridd]

I think Moustakas fills more of our needs, but I'm interested what you experts think. 

[arch stanton]

Mous is a marginal upgrade over Valbuena. Gordon fills a gaping hole

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

Mous is a marginal upgrade over Valbuena. Gordon fills a gaping hole

@tdawg87

[Stradling]

If I had to choose one of these two I’d choose Gordon.  One, we need a second baseman more than a third baseman.  Two we need a lead off hitter.  Three I like the idea of having more speed on the team, it just adds more excitement.  Four, we know what his contract looks like.  

[ten ocho recon scout]

^ agree fully. Thats not me advocating chasing him. But he does fit more needs than moustakas. 

[totdprods]

Hard to say because don't know what either will cost, but I went with Gordon. 

If Gordon costs anything too rich in prospects, or If Moustakas costs arpubd or less than 4/$60m, I'd change my mind.

[Second Base]

Gordon's ability to get on base is largely dependent upon his ability to hit for average and his batting average is largely dependent upon his ability to run. He's going to slow down, the question is how much? If he can steal around 40 bases instead of 60, he will still be a very good player. But if he's anything like Michael Bourn and his foot speed falls off a cliff, Gordon is useless.

Moustakas sacrificed being a smart selective hitter for the HR. With the success of it, that's just basically who he will be going forward. 

Chabces are, Gordon steal 60 bases is done now. He'll steal 40, then 30, and settle in right there, and thus his OBP will be ok, but not good.

My vote is neither. You have one that will get on base but not for long and another that hits HR's in an era where they are common, but doesn't reach base.

[halomatt]

Where is "Neither"?

 

Neither.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

Gordon has four years left on his contract. The contract runs through his age 33 season. He is sure to lose some foot speed. The question is how much in four years, and how much that will affect his hitting (especially batting average).

[arch stanton]

It's actually 3 years and a team option year

[Ohtaniland]

Moustakas? Now there’s a guy who will leave you on base.

I think Gordon is a good fit for the lead off spot. We definitely need a second baseman and his current contract is not ridiculously long. 

 

[Chuck]

Where is the both option?

I think we realistically could land both.

[Ohtaniland]

37 minutes ago, Vegas Halo Fan said:

Gordon has four years left on his contract. The contract runs through his age 33 season. He is sure to lose some foot speed. The question is how much in four years, and how much that will affect his hitting (especially batting average).

Upton is slightly older and got a five year deal so I hope you’re wrong about that. 

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Calzone said:

Upton is slightly older and got a five year deal so I hope you’re wrong about that. 

They are entirely different players.  One is based on speed the other is much more well rounded.  

[Ohtaniland]

57 minutes ago, Stradling said:

They are entirely different players.  One is based on speed the other is much more well rounded.  

Yeah well I remember when a 35 year old Lou Brock stole 118 bases. I don’t see how a 29 year old Gordon with three years left on his deal can have an aging issue during that contract. 

Now on the other hand Melvin Upton jr and Justin Upton remind me of the Jeff Weaver / Jered Weaver comparison. I think that Justin Upton will physically decline faster than Gordon. But I’m still happy that we have a solid left fielder.

[Stradling]

36 minutes ago, Calzone said:

Yeah well I remember when a 35 year old Lou Brock stole 118 bases. I don’t see how a 29 year old Gordon with three years left on his deal can have an aging issue during that contract. 

Now on the other hand Melvin Upton jr and Justin Upton remind me of the Jeff Weaver / Jered Weaver comparison. I think that Justin Upton will physically decline faster than Gordon. But I’m still happy that we have a solid left fielder.

So you pick the second most prolific base stealer in the history of the game to make your point.  You and FS are pretty good at that.  I’m guessing for every Brock there are 1000 guys that slow down in their early 30’s.  As for comparing the two brothers, they are also entirely different players.  One was sped with some power, the other is power with some speed.  As has been discussed power declines much slower than speed.  I actually think Gordon is a good fit.  He’s not perfect but he’d help us win games.  

[ettin]

3 hours ago, Torridd said:

There seems to be a lot of buzz on the site on these two players. I wanted to know, given an either/or scenario, who you would pick. 

Gordon because he will cost us probably two prospects whose names most of us don't even realize are in our farm system while Moose will require nearly twice the payroll space likely providing similar overall production.

Two low-tier prospects + $10M AAV or $17M-$22M AAV? I'll take the former, personally.

[Angelsjunky]

Choice C?

[AngelArcher]

Gordon, because he comes with PEDs. Hopefully he knows how to share.

 

[SigBaby]

I would also say neither. Mous is coming off a career year and all he can do is hit home runs. Gordon would be expensive and is also a one trick pony. Honestly, I'd rather go for Prado and rotate him around 2b and 3b. He'd come cheap in a trade and has a somewhat reasonable price tag. 

[Vegas Halo Fan]

1 hour ago, Calzone said:

Upton is slightly older and got a five year deal so I hope you’re wrong about that. 

Upton doesn't rely on speed as his primary tool.

[nate]

I would worry about Gordon just because after his biggest year he got busted for PEDs.  Unless he is still in contact with his dealer and can hook Pujols up.

[nando714]

Walker and Nunez 

[Mark68]

Neither.

That money can be better used elsewhere.