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[Tank]

44 minutes ago, Blarg said:

It's right there after the big feast on burnt animals and too many glasses of wine when Jesus drunkenly said, "Dudes, if only we had some AR15's we'd own this dump, Jerusalem." Then he went on to babble about the NRA sticking up for people's rights and Peter was all for it until he denied three times the next morning on the local news.  

That was left out of the Bible because obviously no one knew what an AR15 was, this was before gunpowder. 

i believe it's in Hezekiah 64:15-73.

at least it was until the cia came through with their magical redaction markers.

[Taylor]

3 hours ago, Tank said:

i'm on a hunt for answers to this question whenever people start spouting off about God-given rights. I know you weren't claiming that for yourself. What texts have you heard others use to support this? I haven't heard any and was curious if you or anyone might know what verses they're claiming support their cause, much in the same way that slave owners used certain texts to support the idea that the bible endorsed slavery ("slaves, obey your masters" et al).

Some Christians will use Jesus' encouragement to the disciples to "sell your cloak and buy a sword" as evidence for Jesus supporting gun ownership. Because swords = guns, and Jesus was never, ever metaphorical.

[mtangelsfan]

4 hours ago, Tank said:

i'm on a hunt for answers to this question whenever people start spouting off about God-given rights. I know you weren't claiming that for yourself. What texts have you heard others use to support this? I haven't heard any and was curious if you or anyone might know what verses they're claiming support their cause, much in the same way that slave owners used certain texts to support the idea that the bible endorsed slavery ("slaves, obey your masters" et al).

I have heard no texts, nothing.  That is because there is nothing.  

[mtangelsfan]

35 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Some Christians will use Jesus' encouragement to the disciples to "sell your cloak and buy a sword" as evidence for Jesus supporting gun ownership. Because swords = guns, and Jesus was never, ever metaphorical.

I don't think He was being metaphorical, but it was just that one instance.  There is no justification for believing it.

[mtangelsfan]

3 hours ago, Geoff said:

 

Ha ... I was actually going for Biblically.  But I guess bionically would be concerning too.

 

I'll still plead the 5th.

[Adam]

I can't see Jesus caring whether or not someone owns a gun

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Some Christians will use Jesus' encouragement to the disciples to "sell your cloak and buy a sword" as evidence for Jesus supporting gun ownership. Because swords = guns, and Jesus was never, ever metaphorical.

Swords we're the guns of the era. If it were this century he would tell them to buy an AR15, an extended mag Glock and some body armour, going to Chicago and bringing some salvation.

Edited November 7, 2017 by Blarg

[Taylor]

2 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

I don't think He was being metaphorical, but it was just that one instance.  There is no justification for believing it.

I like John Piper's take: 

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7. When Jesus told the apostles to buy a sword, he was not telling them to use it to escape the very thing he promised they should endure to the death.

[Jesus] said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough [that’s plenty].” (Luke 22:35–38)

I do not think that Jesus meant in verse 36 that his disciples were to henceforth be an armed band of preachers ready to use violence to defend themselves from persecution. Jerry Falwell, Jr. said in his clarifying remarks on December 9,

It just boggles my mind that anybody would be against what Jesus told his disciples in Luke 22:36. He told them if they had to sell their coat to buy a sword to do it because he knew danger was coming, and he wanted them to defend themselves.

If that is the correct interpretation of this text, my question is, “Why did none of his disciples in the New Testament ever do that — or commend that?” The probable answer is that Jesus did not mean for them to think in terms of armed defense for the rest of their ministry. Jesus’s abrupt words, at the end of the paragraph, when the disciples produced two swords, were not, “Well, you need to get nine more.” He said, “It is enough!” or “That’s plenty!” This may well signify that the disciples have given a mistaken literal meaning to a figurative intention. Darrell Bock concludes,

Two events [are] commentary on this verse [36]: Jesus’ rebuke of the use of a sword against the high priest’s servant (22:49–51) and the church’s nonviolent response to persecution in the Book of Acts (4:25–31; 8:1–3; 9:1–2; 12:1–5). In fact, Acts 4:25–31 shows the church armed only with prayer and faith in God. Luke 22:36 sees the sword as only a symbol of preparation for pressure, since Jesus’ rebuke of a literal interpretation (22:38) shows that a symbol is meant (Fitzmyer 1985: 1432; Marshall 1978: 825). It points to readiness and self-sufficiency, not revenge (Nolland 1993b: 1076). (Luke, volume 2, page 1,747)

 

Source: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/should-christians-be-encouraged-to-arm-themselves

[Taylor]

1 hour ago, Adam said:

I can't see Jesus caring whether or not someone owns a gun

Could you see Jesus owning a gun?

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Could you see Jesus owning a gun?

Sure. He may have enjoyed some range time

[mtangelsfan]

8 minutes ago, Taylor said:

I like John Piper's take: 

Source: https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/should-christians-be-encouraged-to-arm-themselves

I love John Piper

[mtangelsfan]

8 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Could you see Jesus owning a gun?

Why does it matter?

[Taylor]

1 minute ago, mtangelsfan said:

Why does it matter?

I just have a difficult time reconciling the Prince of Peace with gun ownership. But that's just me. I know there are plenty of people who can reconcile those.

[mtangelsfan]

Just now, Taylor said:

I just have a difficult time reconciling the Prince of Peace with gun ownership. But that's just me. I know there are plenty of people who can reconcile those.

Would Jesus want me to defend my family with my fists?

[Jason]

27 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

Would Jesus want me to defend my family with my fists?

Heck yeah!

[Adam]

1 hour ago, Taylor said:

Could you see Jesus owning a gun?

I can’t see him eating 3 Orders of tots from Taco Johns but I doubt he cares too much when MT does

[Amazing Larry]

[mtangelsfan]

2 hours ago, Adam said:

I can’t see him eating 3 Orders of tots from Taco Johns but I doubt he cares too much when MT does

Dude, that's just wrong.

[Stradling]

23 hours ago, mtangelsfan said:

I'll plead the 5th

Well God gave you the right to do that so...

[mtangelsfan]

39 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Well God gave you the right to do that so...

That's the fifth commandment?

Right?

[Adam]

[Adam]

I do t think I’ve ever posted a snap of my own tweet but I thought this one was solid. 

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, Adam said:

She is a type of cattle

[Tank]

On 11/7/2017 at 5:05 PM, Taylor said:

Could you see Jesus owning a gun?

No, absolutely not. It flies in the face of His entire message.

[Blarg]