Scioscia on 11 game losing streak: "You turn the page from every game"

[DMVol]

I don't think the manager, whether it's Scioscia or anybody else, is going to make a whole lot of difference next year.....I like Scioscia and I've thought for some time that he needed a new challenge....If I were him and I had interest from a franchise that I thought had a chance to win, I'd ask out of my deal with the Angels and jump at the chance.....Those that think a managerial change is going to magically make this team better are in denial....

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

6 hours ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

Alright...ive been quiet for a few years but im drinking..

Any retard that thinks sosh, or any other coach, is to blame for rhis year mine as well eat their handgun...and im sitting with people who agree... 

Sosh is as much a part of the record as your boss...we're all "pieces" or standouts, not a reflection of our bosses...

Anyone who disagrees, PM me for the watering hole....and its the same as the night they clinched in 14 when sosh was  el hefe...

You calling others retards and telling those to kill themselves is like Uwe Boll telling Martin Scorsese that he's a terrible director.  Pot kettle black.

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

I blame Mike for 9/11, personally. 

Forget Usher, I blame him for Justin Bieber.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, cysomeawfulpitcher said:

You calling others retards and telling those to kill themselves is like Uwe Boll telling Martin Scorsese that he's a terrible director.  Pot kettle black.

Or he is telling you that he is sitting with a few of the players having a few beers and they are letting him know what is going on with the team.  

[Stradling]

7 minutes ago, ANAHEIMBOB said:

Most new GM's are given the opportunity to hire a new manager. Dipoto got stuck with Scioscia. He had no chance to succeed.

Yes and most GMs that are worth a damn can come up with a draft strategy that develops a decent player or two.  He had all the chance in the world to succeed, he had a huge budget, the best player in baseball and a manager, despite your objections to him, with one of the higher winning percentages for his career.  

[mulwin444]

Since Mike has two guaranteed years left on his contract, the soonest you will see him let go will probably be sometime around mid-.'18.  Stick Bochy on this team as manager, we would still be last in the AL West and still have a shot at the #1 pick..."voices" don't mean dick when roster is filled with AAAA never-were's.  They ought to rename them the Los Angeles Replacement Players because that is the talent level we're throwing out there every night....Marte, Giavatella, Ortega, Petit, Choi, Pennington, Robinson, Nava, Cunningham, Ryan...they're either AAA filler or vet bench guys.  As for the pitchers, its even sadder.  With Bedrosian and Street both down, and Smith gone, we are left with the refuse of the MLB.  Salas is the pitching equivalent of the black cloud that follows Charlie Brown, Alvarez is a lefty specialist that is left in against righties with predictable results, Morin was good until the demon that afflicted Jepsen while he was here entered his body sometime in 2015 and then there is the rest - Guerra (the bad one), Achter, Ramirez, Mahle, Oberholzer...holy crap 

This isn't an indictment of Eppler either...I'm convinced Dipoto was a M's sleeper agent intent on leaving the franchise in a state similar to a cow that accidentally slips into the local pond filled with Piranha.  Eppler is doing his best to make up for post-Stoneman regime mistakes in trades, signings, and drafts and is asked to do so in a way that would have them competitive by next year.  Not an easy feet so we'll see...

[Stradling]

When I hear, "The Angels need a new voice", it tells me everything I need to know about the person that said it.  The longest tenured players that are here are Weaver, Trout, Albert and Calhoun.  The rest are less than three years.  Is Weaver's velocity down because he needs a new voice?  Are Albert's numbers down because of Mike's voice?  Is Trout not going to win the MVP because of Mike?  Is Calhoun going to be less streaky because of a new voice?  It's all stupid fan shit that is trying to find a simple answer when there isn't one.  

[Angel Oracle]

11 hours ago, FabulousFabregas said:

The problems with Scioscia have dated back for at least 6-7 years now.  He has played a huge part in the downfall of this organization in the 2010's.

I do see that he's not a big part of this failure of a season.   But some of his ways are becoming obsolete, granted he is solid at keeping a clubhouse united and has the respect of the players.

[Stradling]

2 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

 But some of his ways are becoming obsolete.

Like what?  (Because I'm bored and want to discuss this stuff)

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Stradling said:

Well Dipoto is loved because he was the anti Scioscia, despite the fact that Dipoto sucked at his job. 

Seattle will see this soon enough, in the next few seasons, if his drafting strategy ends up being the same there as it was here..    

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Like what?  (Because I'm bored and want to discuss this stuff)

I still see too many ROC plays, and the whole Cowart thing is ridiculous, just to name two.    Cowart has had almost TWO solid hitting seasons at AA and AAA, since the 2013-2014 slump.   What does it take to finally promote him to take over 3B, and send Escobar to LF/DH?

He will give some young players a chance, but others still have to wait too long.

Like I said, some ways are obsolete, not many.   And that being said, he is not why they are 20 games under .500.

 

[Stradling]

I still see Cowart being a GM decision.  There were always these constants with Mike that I see aren't constants anymore.  He used to put the best defensive team out there more times than not.  That left a few years ago, not really sure when.  If I had to guess it started when we got Freese from St Louis.  I would have no problem calling up Cowart and starting him everyday.  

[Docwaukee]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

I do believe you were one of the few that shared the opinion the pitching was the issue going into the season.  How much you wanna bet the usual suspects clamor for them to add a 2B and LFer again?  Doc, Ettin, a few others have been championing adding a lot of RPing..    I'd argue that's a good start.

My contention in regards to this team was that the bullpen wasn't very good and that the SP could be very good but their performance would make or break this team.  Pre-injury, I felt like our SP was middle of the pack with some upside to be in the upper 1/3rd.  

Whatever any of us wanted as an off season plan was shot to hell pretty quickly.  

[mulwin444]

Cowart is a GM decision and its either one of two thing:

1)  No use using his service time on this shit team

2)  He doesn't think much of Cowart

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, Dochalo said:

My contention in regards to this team was that the bullpen wasn't very good and that the SP could be very good but their performance would make or break this team.  Pre-injury, I felt like our SP was middle of the pack with some upside to be in the upper 1/3rd.  

Whatever any of us wanted as an off season plan was shot to hell pretty quickly.  

It started off pretty well when they acquired Simmons, it felt like they were going to go get the other needs.  As a stand alone move it makes less sense.  I still contend he is the best defensive short stop I have seen.  I don't mind the trade even if it was a bit of an overpay.  

[mtangelsfan]

Not too many things have made sense for the Angels the last two seasons.  A series of poor decisions and poor luck.

I think Arte needs to change his meddling or sell the team.

[Stradling]

I agree that if he is still meddling then he needs to sell the team.  He has been so quiet we have no idea if he is still meddling or not.  

[Lou]

what has Arte meddled with the past two years? 

 

[kevinb]

This is an organizational issue its not just a manager issue. 

[mtangelsfan]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

what has Arte meddled with the past two years? 

 

Ok, continue to not meddle

[Lou]

17 minutes ago, Dochalo said:

My contention in regards to this team was that the bullpen wasn't very good and that the SP could be very good but their performance would make or break this team.  Pre-injury, I felt like our SP was middle of the pack with some upside to be in the upper 1/3rd.  

Whatever any of us wanted as an off season plan was shot to hell pretty quickly.  

you're forgetting that "our" offseason plan was to sign Heyward. Or Upton. Or Gordon. 

thank God nobody listens to "us" 

[Glen]

3 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

I blame Mike for 9/11, personally. 

No, that was Obama and Hillary. 

And maybe Scioscia. 

[Glen]

9 hours ago, Oz27 said:

The Angels could implement a puppy-kiling policy, where they force players to brutally destroy any puppy in Southern California, and some here would find a way to support it.

And yeah, I agree he gets extended. In fact I think that could happen as soon as this offseason, but more likely next year. 15 years might be a bit much but if Moreno is still owner I'd expect him to lead us into the 2020s.

We'll never remember this, but I'll bet you $100 that Scioscia is gone after his current contract expires.

[Stradling]

6 minutes ago, Glen said:

We'll never remember this, but I'll bet you $100 that Scioscia is gone after his current contract expires.

Yep, or sooner.  Now he might get "promoted" if he leaves sooner, but unless they somehow win the division in the last year of his contract, he is gone at the end of it.  

[DMVol]

31 minutes ago, Lou said:

what has Arte meddled with the past two years? 

I don't guess that shutting down spending is exactly meddling....but if the stories are true that he was heavily involved in the Wells trade, Pujols signing and Hamilton signing (really involved in the Hamilton signing), then, in recognition of the damage his meddling has caused, he might have given the GM some money, even heaven forbid above the luxury tax, to try and fix LF and/or 2b.....maybe that is too much to ask.