Eight hitters who have already cost their team 1+ win by WAR

[Chuck]

8 hitters have already cost their team 1+ win, by WAR https://t.co/H2pX8WUB6V pic.twitter.com/TWFkLes37U

— Baseball Reference (@baseball_ref) June 3, 2016

[Troll Daddy]

Texas, KC, and WSN are the only teams in contention. I doubt those teams are overly concerned yet ... maybe WSN.

These are established ML players. You close the books on April & May and open a new set of books for June & July. 

[Chuck]

2 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

Texas, KC, and WSN are the only teams in contention. I doubt those teams are overly concerned yet ... maybe WSN.

These are established ML players. You close the books on April & May and open a new set of books for June & July. 

While true, a loss is a loss and these guys have all sucked... One loss in April or May can determine not making the playoffs.

See last year's Angels. 

[tomsred]

You can't do anything about what has already happened.  The real question is what will these guys do in the future, some have the potential to contribute several wins, some can continue to cost their team wins.

[gotbeer]

This is why WAR is a false stat.

They don't take into consideration Aybars many other talents.  Like Dancing and comedy.

[Angel Oracle]

Alert Ripley's, since none of those eight are Halos batters?

Granted two of them used to be (Aybar, Morales).

Fielder has taken a giant dump as a Rangers player.   Meanwhile, Mr. Get Off Our Field has a .900 OPS for the Tigers.

Seeing Pujols and Fielder vastly decline makes what Cabrera is still doing at age 33 crazy good, despite the weight issue. 

[Troll Daddy]

44 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Alert Ripley's, since none of those eight are Halos batters?

Granted two of them used to be (Aybar, Morales).

Fielder has taken a giant dump as a Rangers player.   Meanwhile, Mr. Get Off Our Field has a .900 OPS for the Tigers.

Seeing Pujols and Fielder vastly decline makes what Cabrera is still doing at age 33 crazy good, despite the weight issue. 

You're confusing Cabrera with the Panda. 

[Blarg]

2 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

While true, a loss is a loss and these guys have all sucked... One loss in April or May can determine not making the playoffs.

See last year's Angels. 

That is not really how that stat works. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

42 minutes ago, calscuf said:

You guys understand that these guys didn't actually cost their teams an actual game, right?

Correct. 1.4 games to be exact.

[Angel Oracle]

24 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

You're confusing Cabrera with the Panda. 

Cabrera is still pretty heavy.   But yes, the Panda is in another stratosphere.

[sneaky_flute]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Alert Ripley's, since none of those eight are Halos batters?

Granted two of them used to be (Aybar, Morales).

Fielder has taken a giant dump as a Rangers player.   Meanwhile, Mr. Get Off Our Field has a .900 OPS for the Tigers.

Seeing Pujols and Fielder vastly decline makes what Cabrera is still doing at age 33 crazy good, despite the weight issue. 

Fielder's 41 wrc+ doesn't suggest a natural decline or have anything to do with his weight. I'd wager that the neck injury has resurfaced or he's having the same swing mechanic issues that affected Cano last year. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, sneaky_flute said:

Fielder's 41 wrc+ doesn't suggest a natural decline or have anything to do with his weight. I'd wager that the neck injury has resurfaced or he's having the same swing mechanic issues that affected Cano last year. 

You're right. If his wRC+ had anything to do with his weight it'd be going up, not down.

[AngelsLakersFan]

4 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Oh, ok.

So Joe Smith has a -8.0 WAR?

Not playing for this team he doesn't. 

[Troll Daddy]

WAR is a conglomerate of stats ... anyone here know the ingredients/equation to WAR?

Anyone?

[RallyPanda]

If WAR factored in salary Pujols would top that list.

[ELEVEN]

WAR is not the answer.

 

[AngelsLakersFan]

22 minutes ago, calscuf said:

Weird, cause I'm sure I saw him single-handedly lose like 8 games himself.

You think that would cost him -1.0 WAR each time.

Naw because we probably would've just brought in a different scrub who would've also blown the game. So probably just 0.3 of them were his fault.

 

lol

[AngelsLakersFan]

13 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

WAR is a conglomerate of stats ... anyone here know the ingredients/equation to one WAR?

Anyone?

Offense + Defense - replacement level 

[Troll Daddy]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

Offense + Defense - replacement level 

Now the ingredients please.

[Angel Oracle]

Joe Smith has made the decision easy.   Don't re-sign him.

[AngelsLakersFan]

12 minutes ago, Troll Daddy said:

Now the ingredients please.

singles, doubles, triples, homeruns, walks, hit by pitch, gidp, sb, cs, extra bases taken, k's, at bats, put outs, assists, opportunities, extra bases taken (def), and home park average runs per game.

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, sneaky_flute said:

Fielder's 41 wrc+ doesn't suggest a natural decline or have anything to do with his weight. I'd wager that the neck injury has resurfaced or he's having the same swing mechanic issues that affected Cano last year. 

I think the neck is definitely a factor but I do believe he may be one of those guys who is just done early -- his father experienced a similar sudden erosion in his play at a similar age.  I know some may say his father's history is irrelevant but, genetics are a thing...   Jered and Jeff Weaver are another example of guys following extremely similar decline phases.   

I have always liked Prince, he's been a classy pro and has always tended to take the high road when controversy hit.   Ranger or not, I hope he rebounds.

[Troll Daddy]

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

singles, doubles, triples, homeruns, walks, hit by pitch, gidp, sb, cs, extra bases taken, k's, at bats, put outs, assists, opportunities, extra bases taken (def), and home park average runs per game.

Then what .,. you mixed it all up in a bowl then throw in the oven for 30 minutes until brown around he edges and let stand for 15 minutes? 

WAR is only a attempt to value a player using saber metrics. It has its uses but nothing clear cut. 

Most of us can determine a players worth without ever looking at WAR. 

Btw I as just messing with you ... sorry

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Troll Daddy said:

Then what .,. you mixed it all up in a bowl then throw in the oven for 30 minutes until brown around he edges and let stand for 15 minutes? 

WAR is only a attempt to value a player using saber metrics. It has its uses but nothing clear cut. 

Most of us can determine a players worth without ever looking at WAR. 

Btw I as just messing with you ... sorry

Each of those has an average run value associated with it. If you simply add them all together you will get a number very close to war. Conversely you could make your own version of war if you'd like. I'd bet someone has used a (Runs + RBIs) / 2 framework. You'd just need to figure out a way to measure defense, and of course how many Runs + RBI's a replacement player would have and bam you got war.

If you understand the components that go in to war you can more easily understand where it might fall short, or in turn, where our misperceptions may be falling short. It is not a good idea to look at war solely, as it is meaningless without some level of context.

[tomsred]

10 hours ago, Troll Daddy said:

WAR is a conglomerate of stats ... anyone here know the ingredients/equation to WAR?

Anyone?

WAR is what you get when Odor starts throwing punches, a home plate ump calls an outside pitch on Escobar a strike, and when Weaver is replaced by a reliever before he ready to depart.