How Venezuela’s socialist dream collapsed into a nightmare

[floplag]

I can see where this is going to go already and its going to get eaten up by the Reps. 
Not only is it a failure of socialism, but if im not mistaken Venzuela also banned personal guns a few years back leaving these people basically defenseless. 
This happening now is basically the Dems worst nightmare based on the bulk of their platform being socialist and/or anti-2A. 

[gotbeer]

Dang.  It's getting pretty testy.

And yes, that is a National Guard vehicle running a protester over.

[Taylor]

Country going through a revolution...country has tons of oil...

Nate, sounds like Venezuela needs some good ol' American Freedom.

[fan_since79]

This could end badly for Guaido if he doesn't have enough of the military on his side. 

I could see us moving in with troops to help him.

[Lhalo]

That would be horrible if we did. 

[UndertheHalo]

5 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

This could end badly for Guaido if he doesn't have enough of the military on his side. 

I could see us moving in with troops to help him.

How exciting !

[UndertheHalo]

10 minutes ago, Taylor said:

Country going through a revolution...country has tons of oil...

Nate, sounds like Venezuela needs some good ol' American Freedom.

Weird how it always plays out like this.  They even put abrams in charge.  Just amazing shit.  I can’t believe Maduro hasn’t had this Guaido guy murdered yet. 

[Jason]

40 minutes ago, gotbeer said:

Dang.  It's getting pretty testy.

And yes, that is a National Guard vehicle running a protester over.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuela-uprising-turns-violent-after-military-armored-vehicle-seen-plowing-into-crowd-of-opposition-supporters

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[Taylor]

I don't need to watch or see that. Horrific stuff.

[UndertheHalo]

There won’t be any war in Venezuela until Eric Prince gets to get his mercenaries in there.

[Lhalo]

8 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

There won’t be any war in Venezuela until Eric Prince gets to get his mercenaries in there.

I read yesterday that he's back in Iraq. Apparently they didn't kill enough civilians the first time around.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosalindadams/blackwater-erik-prince-frontier-services-group-iraq

[UndertheHalo]

1 minute ago, Lhalo said:

I read yesterday that he's back in Iraq. Apparently they didn't kill enough civilians the first time around.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rosalindadams/blackwater-erik-prince-frontier-services-group-iraq

Just a fuc*king ghoul.  

[Jason]

The citizens of that country have no means to fight or defend themselves against, that regime. It will end badly for them

[yvangelfan]

I don't want to see our military in Venezuela, but I also don't want the Russians and Cubans settling in.

Maduro has militia and Guaido has the people. Pompeo doesn't seem optimistic to me. 

[UndertheHalo]

Ooh how scary.  The Cubans !

[UndertheHalo]

Cuba has like 20+ thousand doctors and nurses in Venezuela.  It’s apparently true that there have been instances where Maduro has used these people as a kind of extortion by withholding medical aide.  That’s not surprising because the country is a disaster and Maduro is terrible.  But the idea that there’s some large armed Cuban military force suppressing the people of Venezuela appears to be complete bullshit. 

[fan_since79]

National Security adviser John Bolton, who never met a war he didn't like, says "all options are on the table".

That means we're probably going to war. Hope it's a short one, unlike Afghanistan and some others we've been drawn into.

[UndertheHalo]

33 minutes ago, fan_since79 said:

National Security adviser John Bolton, who never met a war he didn't like, says "all options are on the table".

That means we're probably going to war. Hope it's a short one, unlike Afghanistan and some others we've been drawn into.

We’re probably not going to war, as in US troops actually invading is unlikely.  But the odds are solid that some kind of armed conflict is coming.  Surely orchestrated by us. 

[floplag]

9 hours ago, BackUpTheTruck said:

That and letting Larry Nassar vote from prison.

Well if were going down that road you can lump in late term abortions and a few other items too, but thats another discussion.   
The one i think that will get a lot of play is that IF we do act its in the fact of Russia, which will negate much of the puppet rhetoric.   Especially now that the Cuban military is whats holding the country for him over his own per this mornings news, and we all know whos backing them.   
That is also what will be used to justify any action globally, and correctly so in my view.  The man and the foreign army needs to leave the country, its clearly what the people want.
This will get politicized, pretty much anything possible does these days.
I truly wish some other country was in a position to do some of these things, it seem to bring us nothing but grief even with the best of intentions.

[UndertheHalo]

Lol.  Cuba is “holding” the country for Maduro.  Ya alright. 

And Guaido had an army yesterday.  Lmao. 

[UndertheHalo]

Given the United States glorious history in Latin America. Have some of you considered that maybe what we’re hearing from clowns like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo is purely deceitful.  

 

[floplag]

42 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Given the United States glorious history in Latin America. Have some of you considered that maybe what we’re hearing from clowns like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo is purely deceitful.  

 

Yes im sure they staged all the images weve seen which included soldiers going to the other side.
I think perhaps your view of the past might be clouding you here. 

[UndertheHalo]

17 minutes ago, floplag said:

Yes im sure they staged all the images weve seen which included soldiers going to the other side.
I think perhaps your view of the past might be clouding you here. 

Oh ya ? Want to share all the images you’ve seen of the mass exodus of soldiers going over to Guaido.  

And it’s not “my view” of the past.  The United States has its history but in Latin America.  And it’s a blood soaked, well documented, and terrible one.  You know all the immigrants you’re so terrified of ? What do you think is the fundamental origin of all that ? Here’s a hint.  The US played a big role in it.  I can’t wait to hear you cry about the Venezuelan “invasion” when a sea of refugees flees the country should that country deteriorate much further. 

It’s even all the same goons from then.  This hapless pathetic attempt at an overthrow is so transparent that’s it would be laughable if not for the massive death and suffering that will absolutely come.  You think it’s bad now ? Wait until there’s actually armed conflict.  This administrations designs on Venezuela are not benign or humanitarian.  They are absolutely working to make the situation there considerably worse. The United States should stay out of it.  And if there was any interest in actually softening day to day lives of Venezuelans they’d lift the sanctions. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by UndertheHalo

[floplag]

54 minutes ago, UndertheHalo said:

Oh ya ? Want to share all the images you’ve seen of the mass exodus of soldiers going over to Guaido.  

And it’s not “my view” of the past.  The United States has its history but in Latin America.  And it’s a blood soaked, well documented, and terrible one.  You know all the immigrants you’re so terrified of ? What do you think is the fundamental origin of all that ? Here’s a hint.  The US played a big role in it.  I can’t wait to hear you cry about the Venezuelan “invasion” when a sea of refugees flees the country should that country deteriorate much further. 

It’s even all the same goons from then.  This hapless pathetic attempt at an overthrow is so transparent that’s it would be laughable if not for the massive death and suffering that will absolutely come.  You think it’s bad now ? Wait until there’s actually armed conflict.  This administrations designs on Venezuela are not benign or humanitarian.  They are absolutely working to make the situation there considerably worse. The United States should stay out of it.  And if there was any interest in actually softening day to day lives of Venezuelans they’d lift the sanctions. 

I dont know if it was mass or not but i have seen images where soldiers were on both sides of the fight.  Combined with reports that it is Cuban soldiers now holding the country for the man it isnt difficult math.  

Frankly i dont see what this endless cycle of world civil wars and immigration has to to do with the other... our going in to try to assist people being oppressed isnt a green card ticket granting machine so whatever their issues are our aid in trying to save lives doesnt mean they should organize a caravan, they should stay and fix their country once the bloodshed has been stopped.  Would you prefer we do nothing and simply let them be run over by tanks?  

Im not championing military action but youve already made up your mind that its another bullshit oil expedition, objectivity isnt on the table.   Your hatred of this administration is clouding you... By the way you do realize that the sanctions were supported and escalated under Obama i hope so the entire "This administration" thing is really moot since everything in place right now as has been there long before the white house was even a twinkle in Donnie Dimwit's eyes. 

Oh, and you cant lift sanctions against dictators, you empower them when you do, thats tantamount to supporting them as far as im concerned.   You have 2 choices against these people, sanctions or action.   You cant criticize both, thats just silly.   Before you say it, ignoring it is the same things as supporting it if you dont cut ties that they profit from, which is what sanctions are designed to do. 

Have we dont some shifty shit as a nation, of course we have, every nation has, noone has the moral high ground.  You have Cuban soldiers, supported by Russia, holding Venezula for a military dictator while the legally acknowledged government is in exile, but were the assholes going on an oil hunt... makes perfect sense. 

[UndertheHalo]

Jesus it’s always like this with you dude.  You just make shit up.  There’s no Cuban take over of Venezuela.  Most of the Cubans there are doctors, nurses, and teachers.  If you can’t connect the dots between refugee exodus and massive social and political destabilization then I don’t know what to tell you.  Why don’t you tell me ? Is it the Trump administrations deep love of the Venezuelan people that is causing them to orchestrate all of this bullshit ?

That psychopath in Brazil offered asylum to 25 Venezuelan soldiers the other day.  So that gives you a bit of a clue as to what kind of support Guaido is getting from the Venezuelan military.  Think about that, we’re on the side of Bolsanaro.  

And what the fuc* is the point of brining Obama into this discussion? Is it because you presume I think everything about his administration is wonderful ? I actually think that the sanctions that Obama placed on Venezuela were dumb.  But I’m not going down that straw man road with you.  Obama didn’t uplift some nobody as a puppet instrument of subversion.  Obama didn’t in broad day light try and orchestrate a coup.  

Your’re right that this stuff has been the game of the United States for a long time.  Both Democrat and Republican.  It’s time for that shit to end.  It’s not good for United States and it’s not good for global stability.  Enough of the imperialist shit.