California's $64 Billion Train to Nowhere delayed again

[arch stanton]

Not to completely derail the train thread (pun intended) but the biggest reason there's no desal plants is because nobody has figured out how to make them into a cash cow. All the desal plants in the middle east are built by the governments and most subsidize the cost of the water to the public. It's probably going to take a cooperative effort between California and the other southwestern states that could benefit from a steady supply of water. Is it even remotely possible that 3 or 4 state governments and a few big businesses can get together to do something mutually beneficial anymore? I doubt it.

[gotbeer]

9 hours ago, arch stanton said:

Not to completely derail the train thread (pun intended) but the biggest reason there's no desal plants is because nobody has figured out how to make them into a cash cow. All the desal plants in the middle east are built by the governments and most subsidize the cost of the water to the public. It's probably going to take a cooperative effort between California and the other southwestern states that could benefit from a steady supply of water. Is it even remotely possible that 3 or 4 state governments and a few big businesses can get together to do something mutually beneficial anymore? I doubt it.

To be fair. I believe that a few desal plants are going up in San Diego.  San Diego, if I remember right, is making a big push for Desal.  To the point that they claim they will be independent of the water supply in a few decades.  Also I believe one might be going up in Santa Barbara. 

[Catwhoshatinthehat]

The Carlsbad desalination plant went up at the end of last year as I know a guy who worked for the company that built it.  He mentioned there were a few others going up or they were pushing to get going in or near San Diego.  

[mtangelsfan]

I am curios about these local municipalities building these Desal plants.  On the coast, does the water belong to the local community, state or the feds?

[AngelsLongBall]

1 hour ago, gotbeer said:

To be fair. I believe that a few desal plants are going up in San Diego.  San Diego, if I remember right, is making a big push for Desal.  To the point that they claim they will be independent of the water supply in a few decades.  Also I believe one might be going up in Santa Barbara. 

They already have one.  Mothballed it back in the 90s.  Spending $55MM to bring it back online

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-barbara-reactivating-desalination-plant-20150721-story.html

And an update from earlier this year:

http://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/12/world/los-angeles-great-city-roots-music

[AngelsLongBall]

16 minutes ago, mtangelsfan said:

I am curios about these local municipalities building these Desal plants.  On the coast, does the water belong to the local community, state or the feds?

I'd guess the munis own the water, as they're paying for the desal?

[arch stanton]

I'd hope this stays at the muni level as much as possible. The bigger the government that gets involved, the more things tend to go to shit.

[Tank]

42 minutes ago, AngelsLongBall said:

They already have one.  Mothballed it back in the 90s.  Spending $55MM to bring it back online

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-santa-barbara-reactivating-desalination-plant-20150721-story.html

And an update from earlier this year:

http://www.marketplace.org/2016/01/12/world/los-angeles-great-city-roots-music

this is good to see. the central valley could use one or two, also, as a lot of farms are nothing but dust. because so much agriculture comes from CA, you'd think that providing necessary amounts of water to keep our food chain in good standing would be a much, much bigger priority.

[gotbeer]

2 minutes ago, Tank said:

this is good to see. the central valley could use one or two, also, as a lot of farms are nothing but dust. because so much agriculture comes from CA, you'd think that providing necessary amounts of water to keep our food chain in good standing would be a much, much bigger priority.

 

Nope.  Oil is more important.  Especially Oil from Canada.

[Tank]

Just now, gotbeer said:

 

Nope.  Oil is more important.  Especially Oil from Canada.

good call. it's more important to our politicians to be able to drive alone than it is to eat.

[Angel Oracle]

2 minutes ago, Tank said:

good call. it's more important to our politicians to be able to drive alone than it is to eat.

And for the fundraiser-in-chief to make his many tours of SoCal

[gotbeer]

Just now, Angel Oracle said:

And for the fundraiser-in-chief to make his many tours of SoCal

Choppers aren't going to fly themselves.  They need oil!!!!

[gotbeer]

4 minutes ago, Tank said:

good call. it's more important to our politicians to be able to drive alone than it is to eat.

 

Imagine if we spent $64 billion on a water pipeline all the way to the arctic circle, instead of on a crazy train. 

[nate]

Wait a minute... Canada has oil!?

[ABC]

14 hours ago, gotbeer said:

 

Imagine if we spent $64 billion on a water pipeline all the way to the arctic circle, instead of on a crazy train. 

 

I've always said that if we can drill oil from deep in the Earth and pipe it hundreds of miles then why not pipe in soon-to-melt glaciers. That ends the need to conserve water and stops rising sea levels. Boom, next. 

[gotbeer]

Hahahahahahaha.  This state is so screwed. 

Gov. Brown vetoes bill aimed at improving bullet train oversight

[Angel Oracle]

Moonbeam being Moonbeam

January 3, 2019 can't get here soon enough.

[JAHV76]

This project reminds of two Ozzy songs

 

 

[IEAngelsfan]

11 hours ago, Angel Oracle said:

Moonbeam being Moonbeam

January 3, 2019 can't get here soon enough.

He's going to be leaving such a legacy.

[Jay]

On 9/29/2016 at 11:31 AM, gotbeer said:

Hahahahahahaha.  This state is so screwed. 

Gov. Brown vetoes bill aimed at improving bullet train oversight

An initial operating segment from San Jose to Wasco would cost about $21 billion. The authority hopes to pay for that with a combination of bonds, federal grants and proceeds from greenhouse gas fees. But those greenhouse gas fees are coming up well short of expectations, and a quarter-billion-dollar gap has opened this year. Beyond the initial segment, there is a $43.5-billion shortfall in the amount of money identified as available to complete the system.

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Wasco...? WTF

 

[Amazing Larry]

The next gubernatorial election is going to be all about killing this thing. 

[wopphil]

On 10/1/2016 at 0:35 PM, Lawrence said:

The next gubernatorial election is going to be all about killing this thing. 

Somehow I don't think Governor Newsom is going to want to kill this thing. If anything, he will look for ways to jack up the costs of it.

[Taylor]

On 9/27/2016 at 4:43 PM, nate said:

Wait a minute... Canada has oil!?

Nate with another AW classic American bald eagle post.

[Angel Oracle]

On ‎10‎/‎1‎/‎2016 at 0:03 PM, Jay said:

An initial operating segment from San Jose to Wasco would cost about $21 billion. The authority hopes to pay for that with a combination of bonds, federal grants and proceeds from greenhouse gas fees. But those greenhouse gas fees are coming up well short of expectations, and a quarter-billion-dollar gap has opened this year. Beyond the initial segment, there is a $43.5-billion shortfall in the amount of money identified as available to complete the system.

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Wasco...? WTF

 

Wasco isn't even in the midst of Paso Robles area wine country.   WTF is its' selling point?

Even Livingston at least has Foster Farms chicken.