CJ Wilson for Prado?

[marcosantinia12]

I was wondering if there is any match for us to be able to acquire Prado for Wilson?

Looking at the Marlins' SP, they are completely abysmal. I don't think they will open up their wallet to pick up an expensive FA. Wilson would instantly become their #2. 

Prado is set to earn $11 million while Wilson is set for $20 mil. 

How about Wilson and one of Kubitza or Cowart for Prado and RHP Nick Wittgren? 

The Marlins had Dietrich playing behind Prado He is 26 years old, had an ops of .800 in 90 games last season, and is probably ready to take on the 3B role. This gives them the ability to get CJ for relatively cheap at 9 mil and they are able to pair Dietrich with Kubitza or Cowart for backup. 

In return, we get Prado, relief of 9 million owed to CJ, and acquire an MLB-ready solid RP prospect (makes Salas expendable).

Wittgren's scouting report:
Makeup and deceptive delivery play well in high-leverage situations.
Complements his low 90s fastball with a solid curveball. 
He aggressively attacks hitters, pounding the zone with his whole arsenal.
Whole package gives him a good chance to carve out a role in the Marlins bullpen.

Fastball: 60 | Curveball: 50 | Changeup: 45 | Control: 60 | Overall: 45

Edited November 4, 2015 by marcosantinia12

[AngelArcher]

If you're the Marlins would you do that trade? I think they'll look to trade Prado for salary relief and to aquire prospect, not to add payroll for an overpaid pitcher coming off an injury. That's if he's even on the trading blocks. I think they'll hold on to him until the trade deadline when teams are more desperate.

[tdawg87]

Doesn't really make sense from the Marlins' standpoint. It's not as though they are on the cusp of competing and are just a veteran SP away from doing so. They would likely want to shed his payroll and get a couple prospects in return, which they could easily do.

[nando714]

Does CJ have a no trade clause? Or is that expired?

[Jay]

I'll take a bucket of Dubble Bubble for Wilson

[ettin]

Does CJ have a no trade clause? Or is that expired?

Nando he can still block trades to 8 teams per his contract.

[Angel Oracle]

I'd prefer to roll with Wilson to start 2016.

If you get the 2013 Wilson, it helps the rotation.

If you get the 2014 Wilson, his contract ends after 2016 anyway.

[ispy45]

We need Wilson. He's 1 of 2  pitchers that can go at least 7 innings regularly. Trading him would be  futile. It would tax our bullpen.  We need at least  three starters that can reset the bullpen.

[marcosantinia12]

If you're the Marlins would you do that trade? I think they'll look to trade Prado for salary relief and to aquire prospect, not to add payroll for an overpaid pitcher coming off an injury. That's if he's even on the trading blocks. I think they'll hold on to him until the trade deadline when teams are more desperate.

 

 

Doesn't really make sense from the Marlins' standpoint. It's not as though they are on the cusp of competing and are just a veteran SP away from doing so. They would likely want to shed his payroll and get a couple prospects in return, which they could easily do.

Yeah, you guys could be right. In this case, I would guess that one of the most enticing offers for them would be cost controlled pitching? In this case, any chance that we would be able to send them Tropeano and a mid level pitching prospect plus Cowart/Kubitza for Prado and maybe 2-3 million cash ?

They don't gain much but they shred 8 million in salary, plus acquire a solid mlb, cost-controlled arm, another arm for their farm, and 3B back up.

I don't think Prado really nets them any high-end prospects, so 3 young solid players and salary relief could do it. 

We get a cheap Prado as compared to market value, and don't give up much.

[Angel Oracle]

Plus, given that we only received the no longer with the org Brandon Sisk for Santana before the 2013 season, why are we thinking Wilson will retrieve anyone of importance? 

It's better to keep him.

Edited November 4, 2015 by Angel Oracle

[marcosantinia12]

I'd prefer to roll with Wilson to start 2016.

If you get the 2013 Wilson, it helps the rotation.

If you get the 2014 Wilson, his contract ends after 2016 anyway.

Yeah I agree. I am not necessarily opposed to keeping Wilson, and think he will be solid.  However, if we can somehow find a good exchange and use his owed salary to allocate into other resources, I like it. 

[nando714]

We need Wilson. He's 1 of 2 pitchers that can go at least 7 innings regularly

Sarcasm? He's lucky to get through 5

[ispy45]

CJ went 15 of 21 games  before July 29th going at least 6 innings. 7 of 21 games going 7 innings or more.

 

 

Richards  went 16 of 21 games in going 6 innings.

 

 Richards went 9 of 21 games in going 7 or more before July 30.

 

 

=Baseball reference click game logs

Edited November 4, 2015 by ispy45

[nikkachez]

A package around Santiago or Tropeano makes more sense to me. I've also thought about Yunel Escobar from Washington. 

[marcosantinia12]

A package around Santiago or Tropeano makes more sense to me. I've also thought about Yunel Escobar from Washington. 

I also thought about Escobar, though I wasn't completely sure what the Nats would want for him. Would any packages centered around Santiago, Trop, or CJ work?

[ettin]

Santiago's value is fairly close to Prado's so if the Angels ate all of Hector's salary that might do the trick but I think we can do better than Martin.

[marcosantinia12]

Santiago's value is fairly close to Prado's so if the Angels ate all of Hector's salary that might do the trick but I think we can do better than Martin.

That scenario would be great. What other options did you have in mind? If we did better, I would prefer we do it in the 3B department since it is the most depleted FA position of our need. Yunel Escobar would be a great get, other than that, who do you think we could and should net?

[nate]

I'll take a bucket of Dubble Bubble for Wilson

 

I would include a bucket of double bubble and his entire salary for nothing just so I never have to watch him pitch again.

[ten ocho recon scout]

As much as i like the prado idea, what does that mean for kubitza? I dont care really, but didnt we give up one of our very best prospects to get him?

[arch stanton]

I think if the Angels plan to contend in 2016 they'll need CJ Wilson to pitch close to 200 innings in aid of that effort and that it has to happen whether or not they get another big name starter.

[HaloNArizona]

I really like how we can easily offer to trade a pitcher coming off of arm surgery, and have no problems, but if we were to receive CJ coming off a surgery, we would want Eppler's head, Arte's head and Scioscia's ass fired.

 

CJ may be moved, if he proves he is healthy in ST.  More than likely, as I have been saying, we will move Hector and possibly Shoe or Trop.

 

Our starters next year like it or not, will be: Richards, Heaney, Skaggs (I believe he will be back and ready to go)Wilson and Weaver.

[Jay]

Our starters next year like it or not, will be: Richards, Heaney, Skaggs (I believe he will be back and ready to go)Wilson and Weaver.

 

I can hardly wait.

[nando714]

Wilson for Teixeira

[SlappyUtilityMIF]

If Wittgren is that aggressive in attacking the zone and pounding it with his whole arsenal. I might never allow my daughter to go to another game if we traded for him....

Edited November 6, 2015 by SlappyUtilityGuy

[marcosantinia12]

I really like how we can easily offer to trade a pitcher coming off of arm surgery, and have no problems, but if we were to receive CJ coming off a surgery, we would want Eppler's head, Arte's head and Scioscia's ass fired.

CJ may be moved, if he proves he is healthy in ST. More than likely, as I have been saying, we will move Hector and possibly Shoe or Trop.

Our starters next year like it or not, will be: Richards, Heaney, Skaggs (I believe he will be back and ready to go)Wilson and Weaver.

Depending on the player and cost, I wouldn't be closed to it.

I have consistently suggested Span as a key signing, who had hip issues. I think he's worth it because he will be cheap and I don't think he will be overly affected.