Kelly Thomas Trial verdict...

[HaloMagic]

Also, couldn't someone not want the police to murder citizens without necessarily caring about mentally ill homeless people?

[Hollyw00d]

I've heard for years about how "most are good" and "A few bad apples...."

Yet I NEVER hear any cop condemn the actions of these cops. Their silence speaks volumes.

the blue shield. A policy that breeds and, worse, tolerates and invites corruption by the same officials who are supposed to uphold the law

[TobiasFunke]

[TobiasFunke]

Great Huff Post article

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/what-cop-tshirts-tell-us-_n_3479017.html

[CaliAngel]

That's nice, they are still grossly underpaid.

They are paid like shit, have an awful job, and everyone hates them but they should be sunshine pumpers... got it.

 

 

I'm sorry...show me the part where their income was a mystery and daily job activities where unbeknownst to them BEFORE they decided to join law enforcement.

 

You pick a shitty job like being a cop, that's your problem. Don't take it out on innocent people who are paying your salary.

[Blarg]

So, how many of you concerned citizens were at the rally in front of the Fullerton PD?

[Hollyw00d]

I thought about going for a good five minutes.

then football started

[St1ck]

So, how many of you concerned citizens were at the rally in front of the Fullerton PD?

 

 

I was in Fullerton 5 or 6 months ago, so I feel I did my part.

[TobiasFunke]

I watched Cops today therefore I was there spiritually

[maximus p]

They are paid like shit, have an awful job, and everyone hates them but they should be sunshine pumpers... got it.

No one forces them to pursue the job.

[Hollyw00d]

Cops actually make a very good wage, lets not act like they're living on a janitors salary, here.

after all, they can't live in the same neighborhoods as the people they harass

[mp170.6]

Cops actually make a very good wage, lets not act like they're living on a janitors salary, here.

after all, they can't live in the same neighborhoods as the people they harass

 

The wages are only part of the equation.  It's the exorbitant pension. 

 

Public safety employees (police and fire) can retire at age 50 in California with 3% of their final average salary multiplied by their years of service.  Consider someone who wants to retire at age 50 with 28 years of service and a base salary of $90,000.

 

3% of $90,000 = $2700

$2700 * 28 years of service = $75,600 in guaranteed money annually.

 

SInce CALPERS adjusts for inflation, that $75,600 pension will be worth $3.06 million assuming 2% inflation if he/she lives until age 80.  They also get health insurance paid for by the city or county, just like before.  Assume $15,000 per year and 2% healthcare inflation and that comes to $608,521 over thirty years. 

 

How many of us can hang it up at 50 with a guaranteed $3.67 million at our disposal?  People need to wake up.  This is bullshit.

Edited January 20, 2014 by mp170.6

[Scott34]

The wages are only part of the equation.  It's the exorbitant pension. 

 

Public safety employees (police and fire) can retire at age 50 in California with 3% of their final average salary multiplied by their years of service.  Consider someone who wants to retire at age 50 with 28 years of service and a base salary of $90,000.

 

3% of $90,000 = $2700

$2700 * 28 years of service = $75,600 in guaranteed money annually.

 

SInce CALPERS adjusts for inflation, that $75,600 pension will be worth $3.06 million assuming 2% inflation if he/she lives until age 80.  They also get health insurance paid for by the city or county, just like before.  Assume $15,000 per year and 2% healthcare inflation and that comes to $608,521 over thirty years. 

 

How many of us can hang it up at 50 with a guaranteed $3.67 million at our disposal?  People need to wake up.  This is bullshit.

 

You don't put your life on the line everyday for the well-being of the public.

 

Look, I get that some cops are bad people.  I actually think the decision in this case was totally wrong.

 

But don't dilute the danger and importance of the profession.  Most cops are good, honest, well-intended people.

[mp170.6]

You don't put your life on the line everyday for the well-being of the public.

 

Look, I get that some cops are bad people.  I actually think the decision in this case was totally wrong.

 

But don't dilute the danger and importance of the profession.  Most cops are good, honest, well-intended people.

 

Your dad is a deputy sheriff, correct? 

 

Police and fire are not even in the Top 10 for most dangerous jobs.

[Hollyw00d]

surprisingly (I guess), being a garbage collector is more dangerous than being a cop.

 

those guys make less than half what the average patrol officer makes.   And last I heard they have no pension or any sort.

[Hollyw00d]

Farmers, loggers, fishermen.   All more dangerous (statistically) than cops.   And they make peanuts compared to the boys in blue.   For back breaking work

[mp170.6]

Farmers, loggers, fishermen.   All more dangerous (statistically) than cops.   And they make peanuts compared to the boys in blue.   For back breaking work

 

TIME Magazine published a wonderful graphic last week showing the most dangerous jobs next to their average salaries.  Well worth a look (you have to scroll down):

 

http://newsfeed.time.com/2014/01/15/these-are-the-top-10-most-dangerous-jobs-in-the-u-s/

[Hollyw00d]

ya I guess a lot of people have good reason to go around beating people to death and shooting people because their job sucks and they're "underpaid"

[nate]

Reading comprehension people.

 

My response about being paid was the person that complained the cop was rude to them.

[red321]

So, how many of you concerned citizens were at the rally in front of the Fullerton PD?

 

I was. For the most part it was a fairly peaceful demonstration. We, and most of the folks I knew, left by about 1 or so. There were a number of people who weren't local who came to start trouble and it appears some of them got their wish.

[mp170.6]

Reading comprehension people.

 

My response about being paid was the person that complained the cop was rude to them.

 

Huh?  That sentence doesn't even make sense. 

[nate]

My response about cops pay had nothing to do with shooting anyone.

[mtangelsfan]

They didn't shoot the homeless guy, they beat him to death.

Edited January 20, 2014 by mtangelsfan

[Adam]

Seems like we could become a police state pretty easily with how much people love cops and hate making them accountable. 

[mp170.6]

My response about cops pay had nothing to do with shooting anyone.

 

Same here.  They're not underpaid in California, that's for sure.  As for other states, I don't know.