How about Santiago as a closer?

[Hamilton Noji]

sign tanaka/garza, make skaggs the 5th starter and make santiago a closer thereby pushing everyone down.

 

Weaver

Wilson

Tanaka/Garza

Richards

Skaggs

 

Santiago

Frieri

Smith

Burnett

DLR

Moran

Blanton

[tdawg87]

IMO, the Angels would be making a mistake by keeping Santiago in the pen. He did better as a starter last year and seems destined to be a full time starter. I don't know, I suppose it is a good problem to have. I just think Santiago/Richards makes a better 4/5 than Richards/Skaggs.

[Jeff Fletcher]

Is it just me or do Angels fans seem way more down on Ernesto Frieri than they should be?

Guy has converted about 89 percent of his saves over two years and aside from 3 horrible games in a two week span has been pretty much nails. And for no money.

What do you want?

[Docwaukee]

Yah.  Ernesto is fine. 12 of his ER came in 4.2ip over the span of 7 appearances.  Because he didn't really have a secondary pitch, his dead arm periods are brutal.  I think we see his offspeed come around this year. 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

Frieri's good outings far outweigh his bad outings. I think he should be the CL to start the year and adjust it from there. Santiago's stuff and numbers look too good to just stick him in the pen. Unless Skaggs blows it away in ST, start him in AAA and roll with Weaver, Wilson, ---, Santiago, Richards.

[Docwaukee]

The think about Santiago is that he's got a bunch of quality pitches.  Probably too many. 

[YouthofToday]

Is it just me or do Angels fans seem way more down on Ernesto Frieri than they should be?

Guy has converted about 89 percent of his saves over two years and aside from 3 horrible games in a two week span has been pretty much nails. And for no money.

What do you want?

Jeff, are you seriously citing save conversion as a legitimate stat? This is how Reagins justified the Rodney signing.

[YouthofToday]

I totally cool with Frieri as the closer.

[Docwaukee]

Jeff, are you seriously citing save conversion as a legitimate stat? This is how Reagins justified the Rodney signing.

I know you are going to flip out and go on some rant about RBI and pitcher wins, but save conversion rate means something for closers.  It doesn't mean everything, but it does have some relevance.  Not every great pen guy can be a great closer. 

 

Closers work without a net.  There isn't another guy that is potentially better than him getting ready in case he fails.  Typically, the vast majority of the runs they give up are from very few appearances.  Their job is somewhat binary if you will.  They either get it done, or they done.  Granted, I think the 'save' is fairly arbitrary but you need a measure of whether the last reliever in a close game got the final out and their team won.  You need to be able to track how often that happens.  It doesn't tell us the whole story about how good a particular pitcher may be, but it can give insight into how that player responds in those situations. 

[stevestevens]

I totally cool with Frieri as the closer.

 

I too, YouthofToday.  I too.

[DW711]

why?

[stevestevens]

I want Skaggs starting in AAA

[edgur1995]

You guys obviously didnt have Ernesto in your fantasy baseball cause god damn he made me paranoid every time. That Rangers series was a crazy one though.

[edgur1995]

You guys obviously didnt have Ernesto in your fantasy baseball cause god damn he made me paranoid every time. That Rangers series was a crazy one though.

[Docwaukee]

Paranoid with schizophrenia apparently. :-)

[Brent Maguire]

Ernesto is fine as a closer. He's probably one of the top 20-25 relievers in baseball so while he's not an elite guy, he does get tons of K's and has done a pretty damn good job since he came here

[stoli4949halos]

Sorry if already posted I am new. Santana was offered arbitration so he and jimenez are not worth losing another pick. ps all I hear is angels blew it by signing pujolus and st luis used that pick on waca. shoot texas would have had that pick next for cj. ! more thing HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO ALLOW THE FARM SYSTEM TO BE SO BAD. SHIT does ARTE think he's running NBC. UNACCETABLE. THEY DRAFT AS BAD AS I SPELL

[Richard]

Source: My Fantasy team

[stormngt]

I totally cool with Frieri as the closer.

Saves are irrelevant. Save conversion is the defining stat for s closer

After all his job to shut down the opposing team. And his succeds rate ate doing that is what matters.

[Angels]

Saves are irrelevant. Save conversion is the defining stat for s closer

After all his job to shut down the opposing team. And his succeds rate ate doing that is what matters.

 

Not all save opportunities are created equal. It's much easier to get a save with a 3-run lead than a 1-run lead, for example. If a reliever comes in and gives up 2 runs but still gets the save...does that mean he did a great job in your view? Also, you can get a blown save without giving up an earned run. If your defense screws up, it falls on you. You can also get a blown save by simply allowing an inherited runner to score. Saves, save %...those are terrible stats to look at.

Edited December 19, 2013 by Angels