Nathan likes Angels, Tigers, Yankees

[tdawg87]

Hey guys! Guess who is massively overrated and has had just one "great" full season over his entire career?

 

He has a beard.

[Mark68]

but you're not just buying saves with Nathan - you're buying (based on past numbers) a great WHIP and K/BB ratio, and a guy who has done it for years.  The "don't buy saves" thing is more about guys who have high saves totals because of a lot of opportunities, but who have poor peripherals.  I don't think it applies to Nathan.

You can probably get similar production from a number of other guys who will be cheaper.

 

Brian Wilson, for instance.

[nate]

Actually, I only like the Angels.

[Mark68]

Hey guys! Guess who is massively overrated and has had just one "great" full season over his entire career?

 

He has a beard.

 

So...which one season was "great"? 2009 or 2010?

[tdawg87]

So...which one season was "great"? 2009 or 2010?

 

2010. 2009 was good, but not great. Outside of the number of saves, the Angels got just as good of a season out of Frieri in 2012.

[tdawg87]

Correct.

[nate]

[nate]

[Mark68]

2010. 2009 was good, but not great. Outside of the number of saves, the Angels got just as good of a season out of Frieri in 2012.

Frieri's 2012 (Angel) BABIP against: .190, career: .270

Wilson's BABIP against (2009): .308. career: .311

 

Which season stands as a career outlier?

 

Frieri had a great season in 2012, just not sure that it's indicative of his true level.

 

The biggest concern with Wilson is his health (and it is a pretty large concern). With Frieri, it's a toss-up between his lack of consistency and his lack of secondary pitches. This latter factor was exposed in 2013.

 

I'm in favor of bringing Wilson in because he WOULD be cheaper and can be signed to a deal with incentives, and can be just as effective as Nathan has been, and is seven years younger than Nathan.

[Docwaukee]

[tdawg87]

Frieri's 2012 (Angel) BABIP against: .190, career: .270

Wilson's BABIP against (2009): .308. career: .311

 

Which season stands as a career outlier?

 

Frieri had a great season in 2012, just not sure that it's indicative of his true level.

 

The biggest concern with Wilson is his health (and it is a pretty large concern). With Frieri, it's a toss-up between his lack of consistency and his lack of secondary pitches. This latter factor was exposed in 2013.

 

I'm in favor of bringing Wilson in because he WOULD be cheaper and can be signed to a deal with incentives, and can be just as effective as Nathan has been, and is seven years younger than Nathan.

 

Frieri has a lack of consistency? Outside of this year he has been very consistent.

[Mark68]

Frieri has a lack of consistency? Outside of this year he has been very consistent.

Except for, oh, a whole month in 2012.

[Docwaukee]

Except for, oh, a whole month in 2012.

so one month of a season is inconsistent?

[405z06]

smart teams dont spend 3/36 on on 39 year old closer. I'd bet on the Phillies signing him, but they have Papelbon, so I say Angels go 4/52. Gotta make sure we win 82-86 games next year.

[Mark68]

so one month of a season is inconsistent?

A month plus a year from someone we've had for five months plus a year is inconsistent in my book.

[Angel Oracle]

Frieri has one more season to show that he isn't vulnerable to the total meltdown for 1-2 weeks.

If he can't overcome that, gotta hope that Morin is ready to close by 2015 and that Alvarez is close behind.