Phil Hughes anyone?

[tennischmp]

There is no way a team wanting to make the playoffs can depend on Richards being a #3

[ten ocho recon scout]

There is no way a team wanting to make the playoffs can depend on Richards being a #3

Agreed.

At some point, who knows, maybe he's a number 1. But until we know for sure what he is, I'd prefer him to be the number 5 guy.

[SigBaby]

1. Weaver

2. Wilson

3. Tanaka

4. Richards

5. Leake (traded for Bourjos)

 

There's a reason Hughes was sent to the pen in favor for David Huff

[Angel Oracle]

NO MORE REJECTS FROM OTHER TEAMS!

[Stradling]

NO MORE TRADING FOR PITCHING FROM OTHER TEAMS!

[Mark68]

Why does everyone believe Hughes would be a candidate for the 3rd spot in the rotation?

 

I'm talking 5th spot opportunity

 

1. Weaver

2. Wilson

3. Richards - he will continue to improve.

4. Vargas -resigned

5. Hughes 

5b. Paul Maholm

5c. Jorge De La Rosa

5d. Jason Hammel 

5e. Gavin Floyd

 

 

or

 

1. Weaver

2. Wilson

3. Tim Lincecum

3b. Ricky Nolasco

3c. Josh Johnson

3d. Ubaldo Jimenez *option

3e.  Tim Hudson

4. Vargas - resigned

5. Richards

Forget De la Rosa. The Rockies picked up his option, as they should.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Mark68

[Mark68]

I don't mind Hughes competing for #5. I just don't want to count on him being higher in the rotation than that.

[Erstad Grit]

I'd love Jimenez but his strong finish might lead to a good pay day. 

[Docwaukee]

I just don't see Hughes as a fit here.  He's not good enough to fit in where we don't have someone and he's unlikely to accept any sort of contract that will require him to compete for a spot in the rotation like with Richards for the 5th spot.   He'll get a multi-year deal from someone because of his age.  Something like 4/32.  Maybe 3/24 with an option. 

 

This years class of FA pitcher is about as thin as it gets.  Someone will take a chance and pay him way more than they should.  The market said Blanton was worth 2/15 at age 32.  Even if he gave us a 5 era over 180ip, is that enough to get the team into a winning position? 

 

Perhaps being out of NY helps him tremendously, but that's a pretty big chance to take at this point.  Arte is either going to go above lux tax so the team can get better, or he's not.  I think we'll know very early about that. 

[Angel Oracle]

I'd love Jimenez but his strong finish might lead to a good pay day.

Not to mention the corkscrew action in the wrist on the back side of the delivery is inviting wrist or forearm trouble. That and losing a draft pick = no thank you.

[Angel Oracle]

STOP TRADING ALL GOOD LEFTY PITCHING PROSPECTS AWAY!

[Stradling]

AO, I know I give you a hard time, but I have to ask you this. When was the last time they traded a good left handed pitching prospect? I think once you say the year you might realize it's not as bad as you think it is.

Also remember that Haren was good for us for a couple of years and he wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs.

[VariousCrap]

IMO, Phil Hughes is a #4/#5 type of pitcher.  My fear is if the Angels don't get Tanaka and decide not to spend the money on Garza, they will end up with this rotation:

 

Weaver

Wilson

Vargas

Hughes

Richards

 

While that is an improvement from the Angels rotation in 2013, that is not a playoff level rotation.

[VariousCrap]

Oh, if the Angels do get Tanaka or Garza, I can see the Angels signing Hughes instead of Vargas because he will most likely be cheaper and he is younger.

 

Weaver

Wilson

Tanaka

Hughes

Richards

 

or

 

Weaver

Wilson

Garza

Hughes

Richards

 

 

Those could end up being possibilities as well.

[Angel Oracle]

AO, I know I give you a hard time, but I have to ask you this. When was the last time they traded a good left handed pitching prospect? I think once you say the year you might realize it's not as bad as you think it is.

Also remember that Haren was good for us for a couple of years and he wasn't the reason we didn't make the playoffs.

But, only one and a third seasons of good production from Haren is not what one expects when trading TWO good lefty prospects away.    Will Smith (Callaspo trade) has become a really solid reliever for the Royals.    Torres (Kazmir trade, enough said) was one of the best lefty relievers in MLB in 2013.

All of those were recent enough (late 2009 through late July 2010) to be a constant reminder of what can happen. 

 

It was part of a bigger picture, to be truthful.    This org has hopefully learned enough lessons these past few years (meddling owner, bad trades, giving away all lefty pitching prospects, no foreign presence, giving away 1st round draft picks, and signing aging sluggers to monstrosity contracts) to teach them through the next DECADE. 

This org was truly a TOTAL and UNMITIGATED clusterf&&& by this season.  

Mets West or Cubs West, take your pick.

Edited October 22, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[Stradling]

Ok AO, so the team HAS stopped trading away left handed pitching prospects. If the last one was three years ago. We got value in the Callaspo trade, and Will Smith is not a game changer. Haren was a legit #2 when we acquired him and those aren't cheap. The trade for Kazmir seems like a lifetime ago. Will you be pissed if they trade Michael Roth? I sure won't, not if he brings back someone that helps us now. Because what I know about Roth is he's incapable of being a difference maker today.

[Erstad Grit]

But, only one and a third seasons of good production from Haren is not what one expects when trading TWO good lefty prospects away.    Will Smith (Callaspo trade) has become a really solid reliever for the Royals.    Torres (Kazmir trade, enough said) was one of the best lefty relievers in MLB in 2013.

All of those were recent enough (late 2009 through late July 2010) to be a constant reminder of what can happen. 

 

It was part of a bigger picture, to be truthful.    This org has hopefully learned enough lessons these past few years (meddling owner, bad trades, giving away all lefty pitching prospects, no foreign presence, giving away 1st round draft picks, and signing aging sluggers to monstrosity contracts) to teach them through the next DECADE. 

This org was truly a TOTAL and UNMITIGATED clusterf&&& by this season.  

Mets West or Cubs West, take your pick.

 

I would add our team's strange fear of offering arbitration to walking players. Yes every now and then you might get stuck with a player but I think we have given up tons of draft picks. 

[Angel Oracle]

I never could figure out Stoneman's position on not ever offering arb to FAs.

For a guy who was big on using the draft to build the org, it sure was a crazy approach.

[YouthofToday]

1. I think the cost of acquiring starting pitching through free agency is going to be absolutely stunning.

2. I expect the team to add SP via trades. I dare not even venture to guess with who. Way too many variables. It will most likely be a scenario nobody has conceived of.

[VariousCrap]

The Angels don't have the players to trade to get the team #2/#3 type of MLB ready starters.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

The Angels don't have the players to trade to get the team #2/#3 type of MLB ready starters.

 

You obviously don't read this board very often. Teams are lining up to trade their treasure for our trash.