Scioscia looking pretty silly again

[Ohtaniland]

Yep, and if the season ended today they could play golf with the Angels players.

 

But even with all of their injuries they're still hanging in there trailing by only 2 games in the Wild Card. That's where a manager makes the difference. 

[Stradling]

He is one of the most respected men in the game, despite what we all think of him. He will be one of the highest paid managers in the game and he will get a five year deal.

[FireThemAll]

He is one of the most respected men in the game, despite what we all think of him. He will be one of the highest paid managers in the game and he will get a five year deal.

 

You vastly overrate Scioscia's value. People around the league aren't completely oblivious to what he's done the last 4 years in Anaheim. Notice how even idiots like Heyman and Morosi aren't calling him "one of the best managers in baseball" anymore. He can probably get a 2 year 5.5 million dollar "prove it" type contract from someone. North of 5 million per season would be outrageous for Scioscia. 

Edited September 11, 2013 by FireThemAll

[Ohtaniland]

He is one of the most respected men in the game, despite what we all think of him. He will be one of the highest paid managers in the game and he will get a five year deal.

 

How does one know if the Conductor is good or bad? If the orchestra plays like sh*t they will always find a new Conductor. 

[Ohtaniland]

You vastly overrate Scioscia's value. People around the league aren't completely oblivious to what he's done the last 4 years in Anaheim. Notice how even idiots like Heyman and Morosi aren't calling him "one of the best managers in baseball" anymore. He can probably get a 2 year 5.5 million dollar "prove it" type contract from someone. North of 5 million per season would be outrageous for Scioscia. 

 

I agree. No one really cares what Scioscia did 12 years ago.

[Lifetime]

How does one know if the Conductor is good or bad? If the orchestra plays like sh*t they will always find a new Conductor. 

Wrong 

[Mark68]

Francona and McKeon.  Who else?  Ozzie was traded right?

Francona won twice as many World Series as Scioscia. And got fired 4 years after the second one.

 

Manuel got canned less than 5 years after his World Series win.

[FireThemAll]

LOL! 

 

 

Wrong 

 

Lifetime's two posts in this thread. Good to see he's making an effort to contribute and not just troll with one liners....

Edited September 11, 2013 by FireThemAll

[Ohtaniland]

Wrong

You can't keep getting away with changing and blaming the orchestra every season.

[Mark68]

You can't keep getting away with changing and blaming the orchestra every season.

To be fair, I doubt First Violin is getting paid a quarter of a billion dollars, and the tympani player is probably making slightly less than an eighth of a billion.

[Docwaukee]

Francona won twice as many World Series as Scioscia. And got fired 4 years after the second one.

 

Manuel got canned less than 5 years after his World Series win.

just because francona got fired, doesn't mean it was the right move. they brought the wrong guy in and the team blew up the next year.  then they got bailed out by the dodgers. 

[Ohtaniland]

To be fair, I doubt First Violin is getting paid a quarter of a billion dollars, and the tympani player is probably making slightly less than an eighth of a billion.

Well played!

[Lifetime]

You can't keep getting away with changing and blaming the orchestra every season.

If your operations manager keeps assembling poor horn players, it won't matter who you hire to conduct the orchestra, the orchestra will still be poor. 

[Docwaukee]

I blame it on bad acoustics in the concert hall. 

 

WTF are we even talking about?

[Ohtaniland]

I will say this. The team needs a new voice. I'm not sure about who that voice should be but Arte needs to buy Scioscia out, hang his #14 circle plaque up in the RF Pavilion and start looking for a new Manager.

[m0nkey]

Lost in all of this is that a thread starting out about platooning calhoun is now 7 full pages. I'll miss the big catorce

[YouthofToday]

LOL!

Feel free to privately message me if you want details.

[YouthofToday]

How many managers in baseball other than Scioscia are in the midst of a five year deal?

The Giants picked up Bochy's 2014 option this May and extended him through 2016. Basically a four year deal after winning 2 out of three World Series...

Edited September 11, 2013 by YouthofToday

[mancini79]

It's not whether or not Sosh is a good manager. The bigger question is if he's the right guy for THIS team. It's easier to predict a player's performance because that is a skill set. Once a player hits a certain age or comes down with a career compromising injury you can expect a decline. But a manager's role is a lot different. Instead of a strict skill set, they work with philosophy, motivation, game plan, scouting, etc. This is something that doesn't decline but is more responsive to the players and organization.

 

Sosh is a great baseball guy with vast amounts of knowledge. If the Angels feel that Sosh's direction is no longer needed, there is another club that could be a better fit. In fact, I bet there are a couple clubs that are unhappy with their current manager and feel Sosh is the guy that can turn it around. I wouldn't be surprised if he does go elsewhere and has success. But that doesn't mean he would have had the same success with the Angels.

 

I feel the Angels do need a new energy in the clubhouse. For whatever reason, the players aren't responding to Sosh's direction. But I don't see Mike as a bad manager either. It's not Sosh's fault nor the player's. It's just one of those things in baseball where a manager leaves for a new team and has success while the team he left also finds success with a new manager. It's time for both Sosh and the Angels to move on.

[Brent Maguire]

A few other teams could absolutely use him as manager, probably more than a few to be honest. 

 

He has his flaws as a manager but he's still a very widely respected manager with past success. A bottom tier team would absolutely be interested in him if he were fired this offseason. 

[YouthofToday]

Agree Scioscia has his flaws. Despite these flaws it is ridiculous to call him a bad a manager.

Totally agree with Mancini79.

[Docwaukee]

I'm not even sure that it's related to the team not responding to him but that there were a couple of really bad players that sank the whole ship this season.  With hanson and blanton gone, they are 'responding' to him now.  In other words, the guys that he would likely make a difference with ie the younger guys, are doing pretty well. 

 

What manager is going to motivate Hamilton, Pujols, Blanton, to play better?

 

Honestly, get MS a bullpen and most peoples' minds will change about needing a new voice.

 

Unless it's a case of MS being burnt out by his current situation, then I could see bringing someone else in. 

[FireThemAll]

Agree Scioscia has his flaws. Despite these flaws it is ridiculous to call him a bad a manager.

Totally agree with Mancini79.

 

I'm surprised by this. You're a stat guy, right? Scioscia is the guy with Cowgill, Shuck, and Aybar getting the bulk of the at bats at leadoff. We want these guys to get more at bats than Trout and Calhoun? The sacrifice bunting and reckless baserunning has reached ridiculous levels. I don't think he's a good manager anymore. Maybe middle of the pack at best.

[Docwaukee]

I'm surprised by this. You're a stat guy, right? Scioscia is the guy with Cowgill, Shuck, and Aybar getting the bulk of the at bats at leadoff. We want these guys to get more at bats than Trout and Calhoun? The sacrifice bunting and reckless baserunning has reached ridiculous levels. I don't think he's a good manager anymore. Maybe middle of the pack at best.

the halos are 20th in the league in the number of sacrifice bunts. 

they are 13th in UBR - fangraphs baserunning stat, and 13th in BsR which is UBR and wSB combined. 

 

also, who should bat 1st if Trout is hitting 3rd?  Ianetta?  Calhoun has time there and there isn't a manager on the planet that would put Ianetta in the 1 spot.  It's also fairly well known from a metrics point of view that lineup order has very little effect on outcome. 

 

these aspects of managing are vastly overblown in my opinion as the perception directly relates to how often you watch specific teams play.  It's a total mixed bag of so called 'better' managers and whether their teams have better metrics in any of the above categories. 

 

there are some things I don't necessarily like that MS does - the contact play, some of his choices for the bullpen when the team is within a small margin, but they are generally fairly minor and would be seen by watching every move by other managers as well. 

[Blarg]

I think the team needs a new cheerleader in right field. The current one is just not reaching the fans.