Cy Odorizzi

[Angel Oracle]

Of course, what else is new?   6.00 ERA in 4 previous starts (18 innings) earlier this year

Do we even have advance scouts, Arte? 

 

 

Fortunately for these clueless hitters (Jimenez excepted), Vargas has rolled since leaving the bases loaded in the first inning.  

Edited August 29, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[Docwaukee]

Odorizzi is going to be very good.  Would love to get him in the offseason although I doubt Tampa even considers moving him.  He's gonna have some growing pains but it doesn't surprise me that he's capable of a start like this. 

[Angel Oracle]

If that's the case, then TB abused KC in that trade.   Shields will be fine for maybe 2-3 more seasons, but to trade Myers and Odorizzi and one other solid prospect for Shields? 

 

I guess they didn't learn from what we did in 2010 in the Haren trade.

[Mark68]

Of course, what else is new?   6.00 ERA in 4 previous starts (18 innings) earlier this year

Do we even have advance scouts, Arte? 

 

 

Fortunately for these clueless hitters (Jimenez excepted), Vargas has rolled since leaving the bases loaded in the first inning.  

Holy sample size, Batman!

 

Odorizzi's gonna be good. He's the piece of that trade that made Tampa not worry about giving up Shields.

 

Yes, KC got hosed. It's what the Rays do, hose (in hindsight) other teams in trades. They have good scouting.

[Angel Oracle]

True, but bad trades are also what KC GM Dayton Moore excels at.

 

Which makes Dipoto look even worse right now (Santana and his 3.00 ERA for a guy who missed the season due to TJ surgery, and wasn't even considered to be a solid prospect). 

 

How the heck does one owner hire back-to-back HORRIBLE GMs, huh Arte? 

Edited August 29, 2013 by Angel Oracle

[tomsred]

True, but bad trades are also what KC GM Dayton Moore excels at.

 

Which makes Dipoto look even worse right now (Santana and his 3.00 ERA for a guy who missed the season due to TJ surgery, and wasn't even considered to be a solid prospect). 

 

How the heck does one owner hire back-to-back HORRIBLE GMs, huh Arte? 

It wasn't quite that simple AO, I'm not defending him, but he did the trade to eliminate salary, so he could spend it elsewhere.  It's a compounding mistake, he probably thought Weaver, Vargas, Wilson, Hanson and Blanton were enough with Williams and Richards backing them up.  He thought the revised bullpen would bolster the pitching when anyone faltered among the starters.  Instead the bullpen folded, some never joined the fray.  We now know that reasoning  was reckless, and it has come around to bite him you know where.

 

The important question is how do you redesign this mess now?  Before Arte makes a decision regarding organizational changes, he needs to ask Dipoto what his plan is to fix things.  Then he needs to access whether that plan will be effective, and can be properly executed.  Then I would calmly turn to Scioscia and ask him what was his assessment of the team's weaknesses and strengths, and what could be done to improve the weaknesses in the players who are under performing, better coaching or a different training routine.  I would also want to know exactly what Scioscia and Dipoto agree with each other about, and what they may not agree with the other about.

 

Once they have that information, Arte, Carpino, and his other close advisers (and I would include Stoneman), can discuss what they think will get Arte the results he wants the quickest.  Execute and you are done and committed, for better or worse, till death us do part; or at least until the next baseball executive gets Arte's ear, and tells him the others are full of crap.

Edited August 30, 2013 by tomsred

[Docwaukee]

True, but bad trades are also what KC GM Dayton Moore excels at.

 

Which makes Dipoto look even worse right now (Santana and his 3.00 ERA for a guy who missed the season due to TJ surgery, and wasn't even considered to be a solid prospect). 

 

How the heck does one owner hire back-to-back HORRIBLE GMs, huh Arte? 

think about that for a second.  the only person that would take a chance on Ervin for that kind of money is Dayton Moore and he gave up what amounts to nothing but a potential fringe major league lefty specialist.  Ervin was coming off a season where he was the worst pitcher in baseball. 

 

Dipoto had to turn 17mil into a new bullpen and three starters among some sort of bizarre front office dynamic that we don't know the whole story about.

[YouthofToday]

Good point. The fact that Dayton Moore of all people won a trade many here were against is not good for Dipoto.