Dipoto's more likely to get fired instead of Scioscia

[Jason]

I just wish Dipoto had fully understood that Santana always rebounds after a bad season, and was going to be in a contract season.

Imagine want they could have gotten for him in late July. A lot more than Sisk.

The money for his option was not worth it. I'm OK with letting Santana go but the replacements have been terrible.

[Troll Daddy]

42 out of 44 ESPN Analysts had the Angels going to the Postseason. Seems like they should have been competitive at the start.

Two reasons why

Pujols

Hamilton

Ps they also predicted the Nationals and Blue Jays

[mtangelsfan]

If Dipoto resigned Trout and signed Miguel Cabrera, and both of them hit like Pujols and Hamilton did this year, some of you would still be calling for his head.

 

Except he didn't do any of those, did he?  I don't think too many people blame Dipoto for Pujols, I still think it was a good move.

 

Hamilton?  We had enough outfielders and needed pitching. Especially considering who the manager is.  This is where Dipoto failed.

[Troll Daddy]

Except he didn't do any of those, did he? I don't think too many people blame Dipoto for Pujols, I still think it was a good move.

Hamilton? We had enough outfielders and needed pitching. Especially considering who the manager is. This is where Dipoto failed.

Ten year contracts are never a good move ... are they?

[YouthofToday]

How was signing Pujols a good move? I'm absolutely baffled with this observation.

Signing the Albert Pujols was perhaps the worst decision by an organization in the history of professional sports.

[70runner]

Ten year contracts are never a good move ... are they?

 

especially for managers

[Troll Daddy]

especially for managers

Case in point

[tdawg87]

How was signing Pujols a good move? I'm absolutely baffled with this observation.

Signing the Albert Pujols was perhaps the worst decision by an organization in the history of professional sports.

 

From a business standpoint it was brilliant.

[gotbeer]

Ten year contracts are never a good move ... are they?

 

Of course they are.  Most posters here are willing to give Trout a 10+ year contract, and if it's on the interweb it's always right.

[Troll Daddy]

From a business standpoint it was brilliant.[/

How so? Trout is the face of the franchise now. All those billboards with Pujols on them are now deceased.

[tdawg87]

TV deal.

[mtangelsfan]

Pujols actually filled a big hole in the lineup.  

[Troll Daddy]

Of course they are. Most posters here are willing to give Trout a 10+ year contract, and if it's on the interweb it's always right.

Yes but Trout is also 10+ years younger than Pujols. I still wouldn't go longer than 7 years.

On a side note : Arte made a ten year commitment to Scioscia but not necessarily to manage all those years. My opinion is if he's not managing he'll be in the front office.

[Link]

Considering there were what, 4-5 other teams lining up to give Pujols 8-10 year contracts and essentially every team wanted him, it's hard to fault anyone in the Halos organization for the signing.  They just happened to win the anti-lottery, so to speak ><.  A bunch of teams wanted him and he would have been a mistake for any of them, it just happened to be us.

 

 It's not like if we didn't offer him that deal he'd have signed some 5 year 100 mill contract - he was destined to be one of the worst contract in history, it was just a matter of which team he picked to handcuff.  They may have been a tad more stupid than the others, offering just a bit more, but this isn't like ... let's say Jason Werth for example, where one team was WAY outbidding everyone else.  

[Bashbrothers]

The only reason Pujol's contract won't go down as one of the worst in the history of baseball is because A-Rod's second ten year contract exists. And now that's arguable because they don't have to pay him for two years.

[Make Angels Great Again]

This thread is a joke. You can't blame a gm for a solid plan falling apart. The gm only has control over creating a plan that looks good on paper. It seems like if we had a team of all stars and the team plane crashed the fans would blame the gm.

Weaver was supposed to give a full year of ace numbers, Wilson was supposed to give a full year of solid #2 numbers after getting his elbow fixed (which by the way is very reasonable to assume was the issue for his poor second half last year), vargas give 200 innings of a 3.8ish era, blanton 200 innings with a 4-4.5 era, and Hanson could've been anything from an all star to what we're seeing. It was a good gamble for the wild Walden.

Frieri was supposed to continue to be the kick ass closer he was last year, with a supporting cast of downs, Burnett, jepsen(after finding his velocity and cutter last year) , Williams, and Madson wasn't supposed to take 2 years to come back from tj. That would have made a solid pen for sure assuming everyone had just done what they have always done in their career.

Then the big one, trout, Hamilton, pujols, and trumbo were supposed to lead an explosive offense with a solid supporting cast of kendrick, aybar, callaspo, ianetta, and bourjos.

The defense was supposed to continue to be the best in the league.

Virtually EVERYTHING fell apart, the offense, pitching, defense... Everything. None of that is on dipoto. The rotation wasn't supposed to be the best in the league but it absolutely wasn't supposed to be this pos. And even if they were shit Richards and Williams were supposed to be able to step up. They were a way better plan than what we used to do with dustin moseley. ridiculous offense was supposed to make up for the little shortcomings of the rotation. Absolutely nothing went according to plan.

None of those expectations were considered unreasonable.

[gotbeer]

Yes but Trout is also 10+ years younger than Pujols. I still wouldn't go longer than 7 years.

On a side note : Arte made a ten year commitment to Scioscia but not necessarily to manage all those years. My opinion is if he's not managing he'll be in the front office.

 

I'm thinking we might be able to sign him for 6 years this offseason, but 7 would be better.  10 would be too long, and actually might not be a good idea for Trout.  Easier to sign a 10 year deal at 28 than at 32.

[AngelsAndRamsFan]

TV deal.

A lot of fans have said that, but it's not true. The tv deal was in the works long before Pujols was signed by the Angels and the Angels would've got the same tv contract with FWS if they didn't sign Pujlos. The huge tv contract with FSW made it easier to sign Pujols, Wilson, and Hamilton, but they didn't get the huge contract because they signed Pujols. The Dodgers got a lot bigger tv contract and a lot of other teams are starting to get big tv contracts. 

 

     http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/08/sports/la-sp-angels-fox-tv-20111209

[greginpsca]

How about firing the whole bullpen, and starting next season with a whole new group of arms.

[Troll Daddy]

This thread is a joke. You can't blame a gm for a solid plan falling apart. The gm only has control over creating a plan that looks good on paper. It seems like if we had a team of all stars and the team plane crashed the fans would blame the gm.

Weaver was supposed to give a full year of ace numbers, Wilson was supposed to give a full year of solid #2 numbers after getting his elbow fixed (which by the way is very reasonable to assume was the issue for his poor second half last year), vargas give 200 innings of a 3.8ish era, blanton 200 innings with a 4-4.5 era, and Hanson could've been anything from an all star to what we're seeing. It was a good gamble for the wild Walden.

Frieri was supposed to continue to be the kick ass closer he was last year, with a supporting cast of downs, Burnett, jepsen(after finding his velocity and cutter last year) , Williams, and Madson wasn't supposed to take 2 years to come back from tj. That would have made a solid pen for sure assuming everyone had just done what they have always done in their career.

Then the big one, trout, Hamilton, pujols, and trumbo were supposed to lead an explosive offense with a solid supporting cast of kendrick, aybar, callaspo, ianetta, and bourjos.

The defense was supposed to continue to be the best in the league.

Virtually EVERYTHING fell apart, the offense, pitching, defense... Everything. None of that is on dipoto. The rotation wasn't supposed to be the best in the league but it absolutely wasn't supposed to be this pos. And even if they were shit Richards and Williams were supposed to be able to step up. They were a way better plan than what we used to do with dustin moseley. ridiculous offense was supposed to make up for the little shortcomings of the rotation. Absolutely nothing went according to plan.

None of those expectations were considered unreasonable.

Nice post ... This is actually a great argument for why it's not on Scioscia this season.

[tdawg87]

A lot of fans have said that, but it's not true. The tv deal was in the works long before Pujols was signed by the Angels and the Angels would've got the same tv contract with FWS if they didn't sign Pujlos. The huge tv contract with FSW made it easier to sign Pujols, Wilson, and Hamilton, but they didn't get the huge contract because they signed Pujols. The Dodgers got a lot bigger tv contract and a lot of other teams are starting to get big tv contracts. 

 

     http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/08/sports/la-sp-angels-fox-tv-20111209

 

Seems to me like it could very well have fallen through had Pujols not been signed. For all we know, that was part of getting the deal done.

 

Either way, the timing was perfect.

[RePLAY]

Pujols deal wasnt supposed to go sour in the first 3 years..the risk was there but the risk was for the backend. Dipoto signed the dude that hit multiple homers in the world series against our main rival at the time..no one had any idea it would go this way.

[Vegas Halo Fan]

From a business standpoint it was brilliant.

 

Pujols immediately started appearing on billboards for the team, and most people were excited about the signing. I was, too, although a ten-year contract was far too long.

[ScottT]

I don't think either of them are going anywhere yet. This is an organization that kept a hitting coach for 12 years despite a mediocre offense. The shelf life of hitting coaches is usually 2-4 years.  Next year, all heck may break loose, though.  

[YouthofToday]

A lot of fans have said that, but it's not true. The tv deal was in the works long before Pujols was signed by the Angels and the Angels would've got the same tv contract with FWS if they didn't sign Pujlos. The huge tv contract with FSW made it easier to sign Pujols, Wilson, and Hamilton, but they didn't get the huge contract because they signed Pujols. The Dodgers got a lot bigger tv contract and a lot of other teams are starting to get big tv contracts.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/dec/08/sports/la-sp-angels-fox-tv-20111209

Compared to what the Dodgers got perhaps Arte should have negotiated for a better deal (I'm not saying we should have received as much as the Dodgers).

Again, there is no correlation between anchoring the Albert Pujols to the organization and Fox signing the deal.

From a business perspective it was an atrocious deal. You make money in MLB by winning. Having the worst contract in the history of the sport on your books for the next 8 years is not a good business transaction.