The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Dtwncbad]

35 minutes ago, Blarg said:

They can't trade Anderson after last season's performance, so you might as well clear that from your head. 

Of course he can be traded.  If the Angels wanted to reduce the number of left handed starters they have, it would be a swap of bad contracts where the Angels get something different.

[Erstad Grit]

1 minute ago, Dtwncbad said:

Of course he can be traded.  If the Angels wanted to reduce the number of left handed starters they have, it would be a swap of bad contracts where the Angels get something different.

Anderson and Rendon for Stanton

[Lazorko Saves]

9 minutes ago, Chitown27Fan said:

blow your wallet and shop at TRADER JOES  now

Can confirm Perry is ready to blow his wallet at TJs.

Looks like Jeff Fletcher went to the wrong grocery store.

[Blarg]

12 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

Of course he can be traded.  If the Angels wanted to reduce the number of left handed starters they have, it would be a swap of bad contracts where the Angels get something different.

That does nothing to improve the team or reduce payroll, that's why I say he can't be traded. It's a lose/lose. So you might as well see if he can rebound under new coaching. 

[angelsnationtalk]

Few people on the outside give them much of a chance, but some members of the Angels have privately felt confident about their chances to retain Shohei Ohtani throughout the offseason, even though his price tag might reach $600 million. https://t.co/XLopFBecrH

— ABC7 Eyewitness News (@ABC7) December 5, 2023

Leave it to ABC7 news to show the most detail regarding the Angels. They're the onyl people that have openly said the Angels feel confident in retaining him...... No writer really knows at this point. HA.

[BTH]

3 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Leave it to ABC7 news to show the most detail regarding the Angels. They're the onyl people that have openly said the Angels feel confident in retaining him...... No writer really knows at this point. HA.

Pretty sure they’re just piggybacking off what ESPN said.

Some ESPN article reported that yesterday.

[Dtwncbad]

4 minutes ago, Blarg said:

That does nothing to improve the team or reduce payroll, that's why I say he can't be traded. It's a lose/lose. So you might as well see if he can rebound under new coaching. 

The premise (from someone else) was an objective to not have as many left handed starters.  If they decided that would improve the team, then that’s something you can argue with them.

[Blarg]

17 minutes ago, angelsnationtalk said:

Leave it to ABC7 news to show the most detail regarding the Angels. They're the onyl people that have openly said the Angels feel confident in retaining him...... No writer really knows at this point. HA.

It would be idiotic at this point to invest $600 million on Ohtani after not even recovering from elbow surgery and won't pitch until 2025. It would be idiotic to make that offer even if he hadn't required a second Tommy John surgery. These are athletes not some piece of artwork you store in a climate controlled environment. 

Yesterday Trevor Lawrence had his own lineman step on his ankle, taking him out of the game and possibly the season. Anything can happen to an athlete on the field so these 10 year contracts are stupid, the investment drawing nearly 1/4 of payroll on one player is stupid.

I hope Minasian doesn't end up as the donkey that writes up one of these contracts. 

[Erstad Grit]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

They can't trade Anderson after last season's performance, so you might as well clear that from your head. 

I wouldn't do that trade either. Best plan is hope Anderson improves. I'm just saying almost no player is untradable. 

[Chitown27Fan]

I agree with your statment Blarg but we are not in the buisness of selling tickets and ad's, If it wasnt for Ohtani No one outside of Orange county would watch the Angels or buy anything Angels he made the Angels relavent over the last few injury riddled years even Angel fans on here talk about how they only pay attention because of him. He moves the neddle so In Artes eyes he may be worth 600 mil and he is a place that if it dont work he sells the team makes billions and walks away.

[Angels in 2030]

35 minutes ago, Chitown27Fan said:

My feelings is that if any team has to wait for Ohtani to sign before they can fill their glaring needs they probably should not be trying to sign him in the first place becasue you are looking at the next 10-12 years of looking for ways to cobble a team together around a huge chunk of your payroll. So its either go big and blow your wallet and shop at TRADER JOES  now and the next 10 years tax be damed or go back to your office and shop with the middle class at WALMART. 

I've always found Trader Joe's to be pretty inexpensive and great deals on their stuff.  I shop there like twice a week.  Now Whole Foods -- that's an over priced store.  

[Blarg]

1 minute ago, Chitown27Fan said:

I agree with your statment Blarg but we are not in the buisness of selling tickets and ad's, If it wasnt for Ohtani No one outside of Orange county would watch the Angels or buy anything Angels he made the Angels relavent over the last few injury riddled years even Angel fans on here talk about how they only pay attention because of him. He moves the neddle so In Artes eyes he may be worth 600 mil and he is a place that if it dont work he sells the team makes billions and walks away.

Winning teams sell tickets. There have been lots of empty seats at Anaheim over the last 5 years even with Trout and Ohtani on the roster and that is because of the losing. I'd rather the Angels have the resources to win than banners for MVPs and 4th place finishes in the division. 

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

They can't trade Anderson after last season's performance, so you might as well clear that from your head. 

i dunno. i'm sure pittsburgh has a 26 year old in single A they'd be willing to unload.

[Tank]

1 hour ago, Angel Oracle said:

Only worry is then having too many lefties in the rotation.   Would then have to consider trading Anderson, especially if going with a 5 man rotation.

put me on record as someone who doesn't mind having too many good pitchers on our staff. i couldn't care less if they're all L or R. 

[Dtwncbad]

1 minute ago, Tank said:

put me on record as someone who doesn't mind having too many good pitchers on our staff. i couldn't care less if they're all L or R. 

And in a related subject, put me on record as firmly saying there is no such thing as a batting lineup being “too right handed.”  Right handed major league hitters can hit right handed pitching, otherwise they wouldn’t be in the majors.  If they are good hitters, there is no such thing as a lineup being “too right handed.”

There are tons of examples of everyday left handed hitters that are particularly vulnerable to left handed pitching, but they get by because they mash right handed pitching.  If you have too many of these guys a good lefty can dominate that team that day.

You really can’t find everyday right handed hitters that are highly vulnerable to right handed pitching.  If they are right handed and are highly vulnerable to right handed pitching they probably are not big leaguers at all.

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[Dtwncbad]

2 minutes ago, mmc said:

 

They have also confirmed he will stick with hitting right handed. . . and will not see any time at catcher. 

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[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

They can't trade Anderson after last season's performance, so you might as well clear that from your head. 

Not even throwing in half the salary?   Frees up $6.5m from AAV.

Someone out there could use him for $6.5m per season through 2025?  He does eat up innings (162 innings average since 2021 with 4.10 ERA).

Edited December 5, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[Angel Oracle]

48 minutes ago, Angels in 2030 said:

I've always found Trader Joe's to be pretty inexpensive and great deals on their stuff.  I shop there like twice a week.  Now Whole Foods -- that's an over priced store.  

TJ’s salads, mac&cheese pizza dinners, and Carolina Gold bbq sauce are all really good.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Angel Oracle

[Pancake Bear]

6 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Not even throwing in half the salary?   Frees up $6.5m from AAV.

Someone out there could use him for $6.5m per season through 2025?  He does eat up innings (162 innings average since 2021 with 4.10 ERA).

Would be foolish to sell him. The coaching screwed him up last year. Would bet he'll be improved this season. 

[Erstad Grit]

7 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

TJ’s salads, mac&cheese pizza dinners, and Carolina Gold bbq sauce are all really good.

Yes

Also their frozen taquitos

Edited December 5, 2023 by Erstad Grit

[totdprods]

14 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Not even throwing in half the salary?   Frees up $6.5m from AAV.

Someone out there could use him for $6.5m per season through 2025?  He does eat up innings (162 innings average since 2021 with 4.10 ERA).

His contract is reasonable enough and his track record decent enough that there is a solid chance he pitches well enough next year to where you might not have to eat it.

He wasn’t great but we’re still in need of pitching, even if it’s bulk innings, and saving even half the money doesn’t really tilt the needle much. 

I’d rather they roll the dice with him and hope he bounces back well enough next year to be either useful or be tradable to the point where we don’t need to eat money. 

I’ll again cite Kyle Gibson and his Rangers contract and subsequent seasons as a decent comp. 

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