Angels Managerial Search Thread

[Dtwncbad]

I also wonder if the Counsell contract threw a bit of a monkey wrench into some managerial job negotiations, as it could be an indication that the bar has been raised and quality candidates can posture for more.

[Angels 1961]

2 hours ago, Dtwncbad said:

For the 400th time, he convinced his fanboy only.

The fact that he failed to convince the decision makers, despite more than enough time to do so, is the detail you continue to ignore.

400th time my 8 losing seasons did not reach 100

[Swordsman78]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

I gave you a list, of course you ignored it.  

Is your alt account EdmondsonAngelsFan?

[Dtwncbad]

2 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Is Buttermaker available?

OMG, I am cracking up.  Name any candidate that is easier to call Buttermaker than Phil Nevin.

[Angels 1961]

2 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

I also wonder if the Counsell contract threw a bit of a monkey wrench into some managerial job negotiations, as it could be an indication that the bar has been raised and quality candidates can posture for more.

The Monkey has got to go for halos next year and take the wrench

[Swordsman78]

23 minutes ago, Stradling said:

There is nothing he can point to because he was just a guy. The guys that like all of the managers also liked him, the end.  

Don't think he was asking YOU.  
 

Are you that starved for attention that you have butt into other  posters dialogue?  (Don't bother responding, it was a rhetorical question).

[Dtwncbad]

6 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

The Monkey has got to go for halos next year and take the wrench

You are definitely blowing over .08 right now with that one.

[Stradling]

9 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Don't think he was asking YOU.  
 

Are you that starved for attention that you have butt into other  posters dialogue?  (Don't bother responding, it was a rhetorical question).

It’s an open forum. You still haven’t responded to him.  

[BTH]

20 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

I also wonder if the Counsell contract threw a bit of a monkey wrench into some managerial job negotiations, as it could be an indication that the bar has been raised and quality candidates can posture for more.

It shouldn’t for the Angels search because Buck/Wash aren’t getting interviews elsewhere and the Angels can point to 4x WS winning manager Bruce Bochy only making $4M.

Counsell had 4 teams wanting his services. He had leverage.

[Swordsman78]

5 minutes ago, BTH said:

It shouldn’t for the Angels search because Buck/Wash aren’t getting interviews elsewhere and the Angels can point to 4x WS winning manager Bruce Bochy only making $4M.

Counsell had 4 teams wanting his services. He had leverage.

Some would say it is unlikely that any established mgr would want to soil their reputation by taking on the 2024 Angels with their swiss cheese roster, playing in the toughest division in baseball, and with a lame duck GM.   Especially for the pennies that Arte will offer.

[BTH]

2 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Some would say it is unlikely that any established mgr would want to soil their reputation by taking on the 2024 Angels with their swiss cheese roster, playing in the toughest division in baseball, and with a lame duck GM.   Especially for the pennies that Arte will offer.

Yet the manager you hold in such high regard was dying to come back and manage the 2024 Angels.

[Swordsman78]

10 minutes ago, BTH said:

Yet the manager you hold in such high regard was dying to come back and manage the 2024 Angels.

Only because he was beginning the process of building the program.  Neto, Ohoppe, Detmers, Schanual, etc. along with Ohtani and Trout.   The team we will unfortunately not be able to enjoy any longer.

[Stradling]

3 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Only because he was beginning the process of building the program.  Neto, Ohoppe, Detmers, Schanual, etc. along with Ohtani and Trout.   The team we will unfortunately not be able to enjoy any longer.

Bye

[Angelsfan1984]

3 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Only because he was beginning the process of building the program.  Neto, Ohoppe, Detmers, Schanual, etc. along with Ohtani and Trout.   The team we will unfortunately not be able to enjoy any longer.

Uhh, you know that the manager doesn't "build the program" rather the GM?

[Angels 1961]

42 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

You are definitely b.lowing over .08 right now with that one.

give me that wrench i will take care of that monkey, over .08 is ok because I'm home

[Swordsman78]

4 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

Uhh, you know that the manager doesn't "build the program" rather the GM?

IMO the GM is the Architect.  The manager (with sleeves rolled up) is the builder.

Of course these days too many GM's are encroaching on the managerial prerogatives, which is sad and not popular with many baseball purists.

[Angelsfan1984]

26 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

IMO the GM is the Architect.  The manager (with sleeves rolled up) is the builder.

Of course these days too many GM's are encroaching on the managerial prerogatives, which is sad and not popular with many baseball purists.

The manager is and always has been an extension of the organization which includes the GM and in some cases the POBO. If he isn’t producing based on the organizations expectations or plan…he’s gone. That is how it works. That is how it will continue to work. 
 

name one instance of a manager choosing his GM instead of the other way around.

[Angels 1961]

1 minute ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

The manager is and always has been an extension of the organization which includes the GM and in some cases the POBO. If he isn’t producing based on the organizations expectations or plan…he’s gone. That is how it works. That is how it will continue to work. 
 

name one instance of a manager choosing his GM instead of the other way around.

Connie Mack

[Swordsman78]

2 minutes ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

The manager is and always has been an extension of the organization which includes the GM and in some cases the POBO. If he isn’t producing based on the organizations expectations or plan…he’s gone. That is how it works. That is how it will continue to work. 
 

name one instance of a manager choosing his GM instead of the other way around.

Lombardi

[Angelsfan1984]

3 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Connie Mack

 

2 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Lombardi

Ok, so before computers? Got it. 

[Swordsman78]

1 minute ago, Angelsfan1984 said:

 

Ok, so before computers? Got it. 

Just admit you were wrong.  It's ok, you aren't the only poster who is in over his ski's in most convo's.

[Angelsfan1984]

1 minute ago, Swordsman78 said:

Just admit you were wrong.  It's ok, you aren't the only poster who is in over his ski's in most convo's.

I am not wrong. Your examples are from a time where organizational structure simply didn’t exist. It’s not my fault you’re missing the Brittanica encyclopedia letter c that gave the history of computers as well as common sense. 

[jsnpritchett]

11 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Lombardi

This is a baseball message board. 

[Swordsman78]

4 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

This is a baseball message board. 

OK then, Sosh had a hand in Dipoto's exit.

[Stradling]

12 minutes ago, Swordsman78 said:

Just admit you were wrong.  It's ok, you aren't the only poster who is in over his ski's in most convo's.

@Angelsfan1984 you need to listen to him, he is the expert on being over his skis in most conversations.