Admittedly, total emotional post here...

[stormngt]

6 hours ago, T.G. said:

Was that really necessary?

I'm not hurt at all. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but this notion of them not being "clutch" is misplaced, IMO. Again, fans have unrealistic expectations.

Yes, it was necessary!  I used Boston only as an example.  I am not degrading the greatness of Ohtani or Trout.  I am sick and tired of hearing "Angels have Trout and Ohtani  and they still suck".

Fact is neither has carried the team over the last 6 years.  Both Trout and Ohtani has missed significant time.   Both have failed when the game is on the line.  

Its baseball.  It happens.  However, the failure of the of the Angels partially has fallen on them.  They are a team.

 

Edited May 30, 2023 by stormngt

[T.G.]

53 minutes ago, stormngt said:

Yes, it was necessary!  I used Boston only as an example.  I am not degrading the greatness of Ohtani or Trout.  I am sick and tired of hearing "Angels have Trout and Ohtani  and they still suck".

Fact is neither has carried the team over the last 6 years.  Both Trout and Ohtani has missed significant time.   Both have failed when the game is on the line.  

Its baseball.  It happens.  However, the failure of the of the Angels partially has fallen on them.  They are a team.

 

This isn't effin' basketball where one or two players can control the outcome of a game at any given time.  Trout and Ohtani or any other player only has so many opportunities to impact a game with their bats.  Players fail all the time. That's baseball. Some fail at least seven out of ten times - most more than that.  It doesn't matter if there are men on base or what the inning is.  There skills don't change in those moments.

You said it yourself... "the failure of the Angels partially has fallen on them. They are a team."  You're not making any sense.  You think they have to carry the team... and yet you said what you said....  Yes, they're partially responsible.  They all are - but this notion that they're not clutch is fairy dust.  It's not real.  Baseball is different.

Read this.... David Ortiz is not a clutch hitter.

First, it's worth nothing that there's a spirited debate about whether or not clutch hitting even exists. Some point to heroics like Ortiz's grand slam — or Kirk Gibson's limping home run, or Carlton Fisk's shot off the foul pole — as proof there is. Others claim it's mostly statistical noise. Nate Silver neatly summed up the latter argument in a Baseball Prospectus essay years ago..

Baseball is a game that is won by exploiting small advantages over the long haul. Certainly clutch hitting may exist in the classic sense of the term, but a lot of what we think of as clutch hitting may really be situational hitting. In some sense, the answer to the question of who the best clutch hitters are is that they're usually just the best hitters, period.

 

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, T.G. said:

This isn't effin' basketball where one or two players can control the outcome of a game at any given time.  Trout and Ohtani or any other player only has so many opportunities to impact a game with their bats.  Players fail all the time. That's baseball. Some fail at least seven out of ten times - most more than that.  It doesn't matter if there are men on base or what the inning is.  There skills don't change in those moments.

You said it yourself... "the failure of the Angels partially has fallen on them. They are a team."  You're not making any sense.  You think they have to carry the team... and yet you said what you said....  Yes, they're partially responsible.  They all are - but this notion that they're not clutch is fairy dust.  It's not real.  Baseball is different.

Read this.... David Ortiz is not a clutch hitter.

First, it's worth nothing that there's a spirited debate about whether or not clutch hitting even exists. Some point to heroics like Ortiz's grand slam — or Kirk Gibson's limping home run, or Carlton Fisk's shot off the foul pole — as proof there is. Others claim it's mostly statistical noise. Nate Silver neatly summed up the latter argument in a Baseball Prospectus essay years ago..

Baseball is a game that is won by exploiting small advantages over the long haul. Certainly clutch hitting may exist in the classic sense of the term, but a lot of what we think of as clutch hitting may really be situational hitting. In some sense, the answer to the question of who the best clutch hitters are is that they're usually just the best hitters, period.

 

No f'n shit.

You are notveven reading my posts, so lets drop the conversation.

[stormngt]

1 hour ago, T.G. said:

This isn't effin' basketball where one or two players can control the outcome of a game at any given time.  Trout and Ohtani or any other player only has so many opportunities to impact a game with their bats.  Players fail all the time. That's baseball. Some fail at least seven out of ten times - most more than that.  It doesn't matter if there are men on base or what the inning is.  There skills don't change in those moments.

You said it yourself... "the failure of the Angels partially has fallen on them. They are a team."  You're not making any sense.  You think they have to carry the team... and yet you said what you said....  Yes, they're partially responsible.  They all are - but this notion that they're not clutch is fairy dust.  It's not real.  Baseball is different.

Read this.... David Ortiz is not a clutch hitter.

First, it's worth nothing that there's a spirited debate about whether or not clutch hitting even exists. Some point to heroics like Ortiz's grand slam — or Kirk Gibson's limping home run, or Carlton Fisk's shot off the foul pole — as proof there is. Others claim it's mostly statistical noise. Nate Silver neatly summed up the latter argument in a Baseball Prospectus essay years ago..

Baseball is a game that is won by exploiting small advantages over the long haul. Certainly clutch hitting may exist in the classic sense of the term, but a lot of what we think of as clutch hitting may really be situational hitting. In some sense, the answer to the question of who the best clutch hitters are is that they're usually just the best hitters, period.

 

Maybe they can carry the team like Vladdy did his first year!