Let's talk about how bad Jared Walsh has been

[Chuck]

When are we going to start talking about how bad Jared Walsh has been this season & particularly in the month of July?

July: .143/.185/.208 0 HR, 1 RBI, 26 K's
Season: .234/.278/.406 13 HR, 109 K's in 96 games.

Was his '21 All-Star season a one & done, or is '22 who he is?

[fan_since79]

Walsh, Marsh, Ward.

Interchangeable. Just plain bad.

[AngelsLakersFan]

Just now, Chuckster70 said:

When are we going to start talking about how bad Jared Walsh has been this season & particularly in the month of July?

July: .143/.185/.208 0 HR, 1 RBI, 26 K's
Season: .234/.278/.406 13 HR, 109 K's in 96 games.

Was his '21 All-Star season a one & done, or is '22 who he is?

Well, the way I evaluate players you are only as good as your last 200 regular PA's, and in his last 200 PA's he's been absolute dog shit. 

Now maybe he's playing hurt, or there is some adjustment that he can make to fix it, but right now I am not betting on him going forward.

[PattyD22]

1 minute ago, Chuckster70 said:

When are we going to start talking about how bad Jared Walsh has been this season & particularly in the month of July?

July: .143/.185/.208 0 HR, 1 RBI, 26 K's
Season: .234/.278/.406 13 HR, 109 K's in 96 games.

Was his '21 All-Star season a one & done, or is '22 who he is?

I’m hoping Walsh will be better than his ‘22 season, Lord knows he shouldn’t be much worse, but he looks absolutely clueless at the plate this year.  The breaking ball is his kryptonite, and everyone in the league knows it.  Until he can prove he can go the other way with that pitch (like Freddie Freeman does) he will see nothing but that pitch for a long time.

Im also pretty sure Walsh won’t sniff another all star game.

[Dtwncbad]

Walsh is another piece of evidence that the most recent rebuild has been a failure so far.

[eligrba]

Walsh was a nice surprise last year.  Expecting him to continue that production was just another Minasian miscalculation.

[Docwaukee]

Or that he's just anywhere from ok to good and is having a problem making adjustments.  

Marsh, Walsh, Stassi, Fletcher, Adell, and even Trout and Rendon to some degree have all had issues with making adjustments at a reasonable pace.  

Something I think will be a very important topic for the offseason.  

[Angelsjunky]

He's the default starting first baseman next year, and with DiChiara making some noise already, it is unlikely that the Angels will dive into free agency. But I think they'll want to give Walsh a shot, but if he continues to struggle and DiChiara is playing well, then we could see Sonny as soon as May.

One possibility I could see is that if Marsh and Adell start playing well (yeah, right), the Angels go with a four man platoon at LF/RF/1B, with Ward and Walsh splitting time at 1B.

There's also DH to consider, if Ohtani is traded. Regardless, I don't think Walsh has much trade value, and the Angels will want to give him another chance.

I was playing with a 2023 Opening Day Roster chart like I did last off-season and found that there are just too many unknowns. Lots of players could be gone, and lots of players coming in. But Walsh is as likely to be in the lineup on Opening Day as anyone after Trout, Rendon, and Ward. He's in a category of "very probable" with Rengifo and Stassi.

[AngelsLakersFan]

14 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

He's the default starting first baseman next year, and with DiChiara making some noise already, it is unlikely that the Angels will dive into free agency. But I think they'll want to give Walsh a shot, but if he continues to struggle and DiChiara is playing well, then we could see Sonny as soon as May.

One possibility I could see is that if Marsh and Adell start playing well (yeah, right), the Angels go with a four man platoon at LF/RF/1B, with Ward and Walsh splitting time at 1B.

There's also DH to consider, if Ohtani is traded. Regardless, I don't think Walsh has much trade value, and the Angels will want to give him another chance.

I was playing with a 2023 Opening Day Roster chart like I did last off-season and found that there are just too many unknowns. Lots of players could be gone, and lots of players coming in. But Walsh is as likely to be in the lineup on Opening Day as anyone after Trout, Rendon, and Ward. He's in a category of "very probable" with Rengifo and Stassi.

They at least need to find a platoon partner for him, like Ward.

It doesn't really matter though. As you noticed there are too many question marks. They aren't plugging all of the holes next year, they are just going to have to hope for a miracle.

[Angelsjunky]

3 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

They at least need to find a platoon partner for him, like Ward.

It doesn't really matter though. As you noticed there are too many question marks. They aren't plugging all of the holes next year, they are just going to have to hope for a miracle.

This is why the next 60 games are so important. The Angels know that they need a catcher, a middle infielder, and a starter or two. But they also need to see whether Marsh and Adell can take a step forward; who is the real Fletcher, Stassi and Walsh; if Rengifo's breakout is legit; if any of the AA pitchers are close to major league ready, and if they can plug any of those holes via trades.

I mean, if Fletcher regains even just his 2018-19 form and Rengifo finishes the year strong, the Angels can spend their money elsewhere. But if one or both of them flop, that might be their top priority and Arte opens up the purse-strings for Swanson, Turner, or Bogaerts. 

Knowing Arte he'll probably offer Aaron Judge an 8/$320M contract and we'll be stuck with yet another albatross.

[stormngt]

26 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

He's the default starting first baseman next year, and with DiChiara making some noise already, it is unlikely that the Angels will dive into free agency. But I think they'll want to give Walsh a shot, but if he continues to struggle and DiChiara is playing well, then we could see Sonny as soon as May.

One possibility I could see is that if Marsh and Adell start playing well (yeah, right), the Angels go with a four man platoon at LF/RF/1B, with Ward and Walsh splitting time at 1B.

There's also DH to consider, if Ohtani is traded. Regardless, I don't think Walsh has much trade value, and the Angels will want to give him another chance.

I was playing with a 2023 Opening Day Roster chart like I did last off-season and found that there are just too many unknowns. Lots of players could be gone, and lots of players coming in. But Walsh is as likely to be in the lineup on Opening Day as anyone after Trout, Rendon, and Ward. He's in a category of "very probable" with Rengifo and Stassi.

Matt Thaiss hasn't had consistent at bats yet.

[Angel Oracle]

47 minutes ago, Docwaukee said:

Or that he's just anywhere from ok to good and is having a problem making adjustments.  

Marsh, Walsh, Stassi, Fletcher, Adell, and even Trout and Rendon to some degree have all had issues with making adjustments at a reasonable pace.  

Something I think will be a very important topic for the offseason.  

New hitting coach can’t hurt.

[CaliAngel]

At this point I would be fine with keeping Trout and Ohtani and our pitching staff (especially our starters) and dumping everybody else on this baseball team and finding 8 new infielders. I'm so sick of our gutless offense staring at strikes and swinging at balls and costing our fine starting pitchers marks in the win column. 

I REALLY thought Walsh would pick it up but it seems the funk of the team has affected his performance in the box, and he is just watching WAY too many strikes and then getting in a hole with 2 strikes where he starts guessing like Marsh. I like the guy at 1st, great defense, but his at bats have become so predictable and his bat is downright painful to watch. 

[CaliAngel]

Just now, PattyD22 said:

Man, Jose Quijada doesn’t look like himself today.  No emotion, no pep…

His fastball and command are off this inning.  Bad time for him to shit the bed. He’s been pitching well as of late.

Hey PattyD--I'm guessing wrong thread...

[WeaverFever]

8 minutes ago, CaliAngel said:

At this point I would be fine with keeping Trout and Ohtani and our pitching staff (especially our starters) and dumping everybody else on this baseball team and finding 8 new infielders. I'm so sick of our gutless offense staring at strikes and swinging at balls and costing our fine starting pitchers marks in the win column. 

I REALLY thought Walsh would pick it up but it seems the funk of the team has affected his performance in the box, and he is just watching WAY too many strikes and then getting in a hole with 2 strikes where he starts guessing like Marsh. I like the guy at 1st, great defense, but his at bats have become so predictable and his bat is downright painful to watch. 

I’m high on our starters next year. We could have a decent rotation. Everything else, well let’s stick the positives…

[PattyD22]

2 minutes ago, CaliAngel said:

Hey PattyD--I'm guessing wrong thread...

Fuck.  Thanks brother

[REDneck]

Unfortunately at this point I just don't see how this organization can avoid a total rebuild.

There is just not a supporting cast of productive players to support the mega talented Ohtani and Trout.

This unproductive core includes Walsh, Ward,Stassi, Adell, Fletcher,Marsh plus all the scrubbier players.

It's somehow dysfunctional...At this point the only players I may consider retaining are Rengifo, Sandoval and Detmers.

[ten ocho recon scout]

3 hours ago, Chuckster70 said:

When are we going to start talking about how bad Jared Walsh has been this season & particularly in the month of July?

July: .143/.185/.208 0 HR, 1 RBI, 26 K's
Season: .234/.278/.406 13 HR, 109 K's in 96 games.

Was his '21 All-Star season a one & done, or is '22 who he is?

I have no idea what to expect from him. And I'm not sold that he sucks 

That said, I was never convinced he was good, and always felt that all-star campaign was fools gold. Anything that comes out of nowhere (like Ward this year) shouldn't be counted on to continue 

I think the biggest problem is that even if he was closer to his norms (or just better than he's been) he's not the guy you pencil in with high expectations.

He's fine to bat 6th or 7th on a good team. And say Ward was fine, with Ohtani/Trout/Rendon is a good team. Especially if Marsh was hitting like an average everyday player.

The problem is when you erase the superstars... and suddenly guys like Walsh are expected to be big dogs.... that's where the problems come into play

 

[tomsred]

26 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I have no idea what to expect from him. And I'm not sold that he sucks 

That said, I was never convinced he was good, and always felt that all-star campaign was fools gold. Anything that comes out of nowhere (like Ward this year) shouldn't be counted on to continue 

I think the biggest problem is that even if he was closer to his norms (or just better than he's been) he's not the guy you pencil in with high expectations.

He's fine to bat 6th or 7th on a good team. And say Ward was fine, with Ohtani/Trout/Rendon is a good team. Especially if Marsh was hitting like an average everyday player.

The problem is when you erase the superstars... and suddenly guys like Walsh are expected to be big dogs.... that's where the problems come into play

 

That's right.  There is a lack of effective offensive depth.  Someone is going to get hurt every year, and when it's one of the prime three (Trout, Ohtani, Rendon) there is a big drop-off to the replacements.  There is also a big drop off from the next tier (Ward, Stassi, Walsh, Fletcher, Rengifo).  At that point you are playing questionable offensive major league players at best.  The starting pitching has stayed pretty healthy, but if Ohtani, Detmers, Sandoval, Thor, Suarez, or Barria get injured look out, big problem.  The bullpen is a mess really.  It's a real dilemma!

 

 

 

 

 

[ThisismineScios]

What’s funny is I started a thread about 3 weeks ago about him. And he’s continued to tank. He really looks like he has no clue up there. Everything is either a strikeout or weak groundout to 1B/2B. What’s most concerning to me is the amount of strikeouts looking. I mean at this point, knowing how bad your slump is, why are you looking at anything close at strike 2? 

[Duren, Duren]

He needs to spend the off season in the batting cage day after day.. And maybe hire a hitting specialist from outside the organization.

He knows that the scouting reports on him is the inside breaking ball. I think he's so self conscious about it that he enters the batters box with no confidence. And has trouble covering the whole plate and recognizing pitches. And when the inside stuff comes he is over eager and swings at pitches off the plate. 

One part of off season practice is just standing at the plate watching pitches go by and relearning the strike zone. Then adjusting his stance and swing. I think his bat is quick enough. Maybe too quick. If he could wait a tiny bit longer before swinging he might have better recognition and  be more selective. 

[totdprods]

4 hours ago, Docwaukee said:

Or that he's just anywhere from ok to good and is having a problem making adjustments.  

Marsh, Walsh, Stassi, Fletcher, Adell, and even Trout and Rendon to some degree have all had issues with making adjustments at a reasonable pace.  

Something I think will be a very important topic for the offseason.  

This says it all to me.

the team is either checked the fuck out, trying too hard, or being fed really awful information to fix things.

There’s no way all these players just suddenly suck this hard. There’s a breakdown elsewhere.

[Jason]

2 hours ago, totdprods said:

This says it all to me.

the team is either checked the fuck out, trying too hard, or being fed really awful information to fix things.

There’s no way all these players just suddenly suck this hard. There’s a breakdown elsewhere.

Yes

[HaloNArizona]

Pitch recognition....It seems too many players are guessing at pitches.  

We have four players with an OPS above .700 (and one of those is Trout)

We have have three players with a batting average at .270 or above (no one over or close to .300)

As a team we have struck out 985 times (next closest is Pittsburgh at 955).  This leads MLB

As a team we have walked 314 times (middle of the pack)

As a team our OBP is .300 (#27 in baseball)

As a team our OPS is .679 (#26 in baseball)

These numbers are pathetic.

It's not just Walsh who is struggling.

[T.G.]

4 minutes ago, HaloNArizona said:

It's not just Walsh who is struggling.

Are you Jared's dad?