Official 2021-22 Hot Stove League Thread.

[wopphil]

27 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

At this point I don't want to trade anything.

I agree with you. Well, anything in the top 5 or 6 guys. But I gotta believe you can trade for Gray without having to part with Adell, Marsh, Detmers, Bachman or Paris. If the cost was, say, Jordyn Adams and Denzer Guzman (our 3 and 9 prospects according to MLB.com), that’s a trade you have to consider making. 

[wopphil]

15 minutes ago, HanfordGuy said:

Are you wanting him as a full time reliever or do you want him for the ability to occasionally start?

Full time reliever who can start a game if necessary. 

[tdawg87]

Just now, wopphil said:

I agree with you. Well, anything in the top 5 or 6 guys. But I gotta believe you can trade for Gray without having to part with Adell, Marsh, Detmers, Bachman or Paris. If the cost was, say, Jordyn Adams and Denzer Guzman (our 3 and 9 prospects according to MLB.com), that’s a trade you have to consider making. 

I don’t agree. The Reds want pitching. And there's no way we keep all those guys. None of them are worth Gray, but I guarantee we don't get him without parting with Detmers or Bachman.

Fuck that.

[wopphil]

1 hour ago, tdawg87 said:

I don’t agree. The Reds want pitching. And there's no way we keep all those guys. None of them are worth Gray, but I guarantee we don't get him without parting with Detmers or Bachman.

Fuck that.

Maybe. But maybe not. They gave away Iglesias for nothing at all. And they gave away a starter earlier this year for nothing at all. It all depends on the market. Gray isn’t a top of the rotation guy and really doesn’t have the potential to be one. He shouldn’t cost too prospects. 

[eligrba]

I still wonder what the hell happened with Robbie Ray.   Were the Angels not interested?

[tdawg87]

1 hour ago, eligrba said:

I still wonder what the hell happened with Robbie Ray.   Were the Angels not interested?

It would appear that Minasian pulled a Tony Reagins and was late to the party. Ray signed a day before he was scheduled to meet with the Angels.

Guess they weren't that serious.

[Dtwncbad]

2 minutes ago, tdawg87 said:

It would appear that Minasian pulled a Tony Reagins and was late to the party. Ray signed a day before he was scheduled to meet with the Angels.

Guess they weren't that serious.

If they were not serious they would not have scheduled a meeting with him.  Looks instead like Ray either wasn’t that serious about the Angels or he simply got what he wanted from someone else.  Which means he wasn’t very serious about the Angels.

One way to change that is to have the meeting, which they had set.

I just can’t begin to “guess the Angels weren’t that serious” because Ray signed prior to the meeting.

[Stradling]

42 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

If they were not serious they would not have scheduled a meeting with him.  Looks instead like Ray either wasn’t that serious about the Angels or he simply got what he wanted from someone else.  Which means he wasn’t very serious about the Angels.

One way to change that is to have the meeting, which they had set.

I just can’t begin to “guess the Angels weren’t that serious” because Ray signed prior to the meeting.

It makes more sense to assume the Angels weren’t that serious than to think they were serious considering he signed a month after free agency started. If the Angels were that serious you’d have to think they would have set up a meeting well before that, you know, like they did with the other three free agent pitchers that had signed before Ray.   Also, just because they hadn’t set up a face to face meeting you’d have to think Perry had spoken to his agent about what the asking price would be. 

[Stradling]

To take it a step further it would also make sense to think Ray’s agent reached out to the Angels and other interested teams telling them they had a deal in hand, to see if any team wanted to increase their offer. You know, do his job as an agent. 

[tdawg87]

Look at how the Syndergaard signing happened and then compare it to Ray. 

If they were serious they would have already met with him and gone the extra mile to show him how much they want his services. 

That doesn't mean he'd sign, but at least we'd know the effort was made. From all the information we have, and @Jeff Fletcher please correct my ignorance if I'm wrong, it seems they dropped the ball and never met with him. 

I guess I'll meet in the middle and say it's possible Ray's agent or Ray himself set the date and couldn't/wouldn't meet earlier.

[tdawg87]

3 hours ago, wopphil said:

Maybe. But maybe not. They gave away Iglesias for nothing at all. And they gave away a starter earlier this year for nothing at all. It all depends on the market. Gray isn’t a top of the rotation guy and really doesn’t have the potential to be one. He shouldn’t cost too prospects. 

You're right. He shouldn't. But considering what I was told they wanted for Castillo, the asking price for Gray would be steeper than you think. 

[Lou]

Just now, tdawg87 said:

You're right. He shouldn't. But considering what I was told they wanted for Castillo, the asking price for Gray would be steeper than you think. 

Who told you that?

[tdawg87]

1 minute ago, Lou said:

Who told you that?

A serial killer.

[Inside Pitch]

[AngelsLakersFan]

17 hours ago, Stradling said:

It makes more sense to assume the Angels weren’t that serious than to think they were serious considering he signed a month after free agency started. If the Angels were that serious you’d have to think they would have set up a meeting well before that, you know, like they did with the other three free agent pitchers that had signed before Ray.   Also, just because they hadn’t set up a face to face meeting you’d have to think Perry had spoken to his agent about what the asking price would be. 

It's all a very odd situation. Obviously Ray was less interested in the Angels than the Angels were reportedly interested in Ray. My gut tells me that this was a situation where the Angels had Syndergaard first on their board and tried to square things away with him before negotiating with Ray. Ray took the opportunity to hook up with someone else.

[Jeff Fletcher]

18 hours ago, tdawg87 said:

Look at how the Syndergaard signing happened and then compare it to Ray. 

If they were serious they would have already met with him and gone the extra mile to show him how much they want his services. 

That doesn't mean he'd sign, but at least we'd know the effort was made. From all the information we have, and @Jeff Fletcher please correct my ignorance if I'm wrong, it seems they dropped the ball and never met with him. 

I guess I'll meet in the middle and say it's possible Ray's agent or Ray himself set the date and couldn't/wouldn't meet earlier.

I assume if the Angels and Ray didn’t meet that was Ray’s choice. 

[tdawg87]

3 hours ago, Jeff Fletcher said:

I assume if the Angels and Ray didn’t meet that was Ray’s choice. 

Ok thank you for clearing that up. Makes it seem Ray wasn't serious about coming here. Fine by me.

[Inside Pitch]

Rumor is that Ty Buttrey is coming back to mlb.   This might be why he was still on the roster

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Rumor is that Ty Buttrey is coming back to mlb.   This might be why he was still on the roster

lol 

[Stradling]

10 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Rumor is that Ty Buttrey is coming back to mlb.   This might be why he was still on the roster

Lou will be pissed

[Stradling]

Or he will laugh. 

[eligrba]

9 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

Rumor is that Ty Buttrey is coming back to mlb.   This might be why he was still on the roster

[Inside Pitch]

9 minutes ago, Lou said:

lol 

 

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Lou will be pissed

Was Lou not a Buttrey fan?

[Lou]

9 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Or he will laugh. 

I'm laughing at those here who poured out their hearts to poor Ty. 

[Stradling]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

 

Was Lou not a Buttrey fan?

He had a field day when Buttrey retired.