Starter Strikeouts and Walks

[Angelsjunky]

Among starting pitchers with at least 10 IP, here is how the Angels rank in terms of SO/9 IP:

3. Jose Quintana 14.57

4. Shohei Ohtani 14.46

11. Alex Cobb 13.08

13. Andrew Heaney 12.91

31. Griffin Canning 10.65

47. Dylan Bundy 9.84

I know Ks are through the roof, but that's ridiculous - four of their starters are in the top 13. Only Corbin Burnes and Jacob deGrom have higher rates than Quintana and Ohtani.

Here's the other problem, though - BB/9:

2. Shohei Ohtani 9.16

4. Jose Quintana 8.14

27. Alex Cobb 4.22

43. Griffin Canning 3.80

78. Andrew Heaney 2.93

118. Dylan Bundy 2.29

 

Heaney is about the major league median, and Bundy's rate is quite low, but the other four are in the worst third or so, and Ohtani and Quintana are out of control.

What gives with the Angels rotation? They're striking people out at a ridiculous rate, but also walking people a ton. I can't help but think of the sub-par defense - are they trying to strike everyone out due to lacking confidence in the defense? Or maybe the opposite is true, that the defense is getting less chances and rhythm because they're either striking out or walking everyone? A vicious cycle, perhaps?

 

[Jason]

With the Ks and BBs come the high pitch counts too and it seems like many of them struggle to get past the 5th inning. 

[Amazing Larry]

I think that tweet @bloodbrother posted in the Suzuki thread explains a lot.

[JustATroutFan]

35 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

Among starting pitchers with at least 10 IP, here is how the Angels rank in terms of SO/9 IP:

3. Jose Quintana 14.57

4. Shohei Ohtani 14.46

11. Alex Cobb 13.08

13. Andrew Heaney 12.91

31. Griffin Canning 10.65

47. Dylan Bundy 9.84

I know Ks are through the roof, but that's ridiculous - four of their starters are in the top 13. Only Corbin Burnes and Jacob deGrom have higher rates than Quintana and Ohtani.

Here's the other problem, though - BB/9:

2. Shohei Ohtani 9.16

4. Jose Quintana 8.14

27. Alex Cobb 4.22

43. Griffin Canning 3.80

78. Andrew Heaney 2.93

118. Dylan Bundy 2.29

 

Heaney is about the major league median, and Bundy's rate is quite low, but the other four are in the worst third or so, and Ohtani and Quintana are out of control.

What gives with the Angels rotation? They're striking people out at a ridiculous rate, but also walking people a ton. I can't help but think of the sub-par defense - are they trying to strike everyone out due to lacking confidence in the defense? Or maybe the opposite is true, that the defense is getting less chances and rhythm because they're either striking out or walking everyone? A vicious cycle, perhaps?

 

Interesting...a lot of strikeouts and walks. This is like Nolan Ryan minus the ability to prevent runners scoring (for a lot of them). You're right, a lot of batters are striking out at a high rate these days. It's just guys going up there and trying to swing for the fences. As of right now, when it comes to offense, there are more strikeouts than hits this season. Too many Stantons (strikeout machines). 

[WicketMaiden]

24 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Interesting...a lot of strikeouts and walks. This is like Nolan Ryan minus the ability to prevent runners scoring (for a lot of them). You're right, a lot of batters are striking out at a high rate these days. It's just guys going up there and trying to swing for the fences. As of right now, when it comes to offense, there are more strikeouts than hits this season. Too many Stantons (strikeout machines). 

Just curious, but did Stanton ever steal your girlfriend? Thanks.

[JustATroutFan]

2 minutes ago, WicketMaiden said:

Just curious, but did Stanton ever steal your girlfriend? Thanks.

No but he's the first guy whose name comes up in my mind when the word "strikeout" is mentioned. 

[greginpsca]

Curious as to the percentage of BB/9 that scored, vs stranded.  

[greginpsca]

18 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

Interesting...a lot of strikeouts and walks. This is like Nolan Ryan minus the ability to prevent runners scoring (for a lot of them). You're right, a lot of batters are striking out at a high rate these days. It's just guys going up there and trying to swing for the fences. As of right now, when it comes to offense, there are more strikeouts than hits this season. Too many Stantons (strikeout machines). 

Ryan got a lot of losses, because of walks. Usually in the first inning. He would walk the bases loaded/ walk in a run or 2.  Then he would lose 1-0 or 2-1.

[JustATroutFan]

2 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Ryan got a lot of losses, because of walks. Usually in the first inning. He would walk the bases loaded/ walk in a run or 2.  Then he would lose 1-0 or 2-1.

If Ryan had Maddux-like control, he would have had a few Cy Youngs next to his name. His career ERA would have been even lower. Like, a 95-97 mph fastball in a great location where a hitter usually doesn't make good contact wouldn't even be fair. 

[Mark PT]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

Among starting pitchers with at least 10 IP, here is how the Angels rank in terms of SO/9 IP:

3. Jose Quintana 14.57

4. Shohei Ohtani 14.46

11. Alex Cobb 13.08

13. Andrew Heaney 12.91

31. Griffin Canning 10.65

47. Dylan Bundy 9.84

I know Ks are through the roof, but that's ridiculous - four of their starters are in the top 13. Only Corbin Burnes and Jacob deGrom have higher rates than Quintana and Ohtani.

Here's the other problem, though - BB/9:

2. Shohei Ohtani 9.16

4. Jose Quintana 8.14

27. Alex Cobb 4.22

43. Griffin Canning 3.80

78. Andrew Heaney 2.93

118. Dylan Bundy 2.29

 

Heaney is about the major league median, and Bundy's rate is quite low, but the other four are in the worst third or so, and Ohtani and Quintana are out of control.

What gives with the Angels rotation? They're striking people out at a ridiculous rate, but also walking people a ton. I can't help but think of the sub-par defense - are they trying to strike everyone out due to lacking confidence in the defense? Or maybe the opposite is true, that the defense is getting less chances and rhythm because they're either striking out or walking everyone? A vicious cycle, perhaps?

 

Simply put, they cant pitch. They are extremely inconsistent pitching in the zone. They cant hit their spots well, so they miss over the middle (high ERA) or they miss the zone altogether. 

[Mark PT]

32 minutes ago, JustATroutFan said:

If Ryan had Maddux-like control, he would have had a few Cy Youngs next to his name. His career ERA would have been even lower. Like, a 95-97 mph fastball in a great location where a hitter usually doesn't make good contact wouldn't even be fair. 

Ryan would have won those Cy-Youngs if he played for a team that could score. He had about 3-4 years where he should have won that award but did not have the wins. But you are right if he had more control, especially early on in his career, he would have won multiple.