It all makes too much sense

[VariousCrap]

I asked Fletcher about Dickerson and he said from what he has heard, the Angels are not interested in him either.

 

Unless something changes, it sure seems like the Angels don't want Blackmon or Dickerson.

[Hollyw00d]

I really doubt Jeff Fletcher was told or is ever told if the Angels do not like a certain player because of xyz.

The organization is extremely tight lipped when talking about players.

Except when they want to trash them in the media

[Angel Oracle]

Blackmon and Dickerson aren't peanuts.    Arte ain't interested.

[YouthofToday]

Prefer signing free agents to trading what little talent and depth we have for something that only costs money.

[VariousCrap]

Blackmon and Dickerson aren't peanuts.    Arte ain't interested.

 

 

#CheapAssArte may not be interested, but Nava and Gentry are the peanuts.  Dickerson & Blackmon have way more upside than the current pLOLtoon the Angels have.

Edited January 27, 2016 by VariousCrap

[Docwaukee]

Prefer signing free agents to trading what little talent and depth we have for something that only costs money.

to Arte's ears.  It's this philosophy that I have been preaching.   Spend to preserve the farm, but that ship has sailed.  We keep saying that we are all in, but that isn't really the case.  We flopped high pair and a flush draw yet we are limping in the rest of the way.  

[Angelfaninidaho]

We've traded Newcomb and Gott.  That's not the end of the world.  Ellis was hardly traumatic to the farm system.  Escobar and Simmons are 100% worth it.

[Hollyw00d]

We will see

[Hollyw00d]

It might have to be Tropeano or Skaggs + to get Dickerson.

Hope eppy hangs up the phone real quick if arte and sosh make that offer

[NrM]

The angels biggest need is obp. Blackman and dickerson don't provide that.

We have enough HR threats right now.

Cron, Pujols, Calhoun and trout should all hit 20+ this year.

The lineup is riddled with question marks when it comes to obp.

Edited January 27, 2016 by Poozy

[Hollyw00d]

Those 43 stolen bases ahead of Pujols and Trout would be nice.

"you can't steal first base"

[ettin]

I asked Fletcher about Dickerson and he said from what he has heard, the Angels are not interested in him either.

 

Unless something changes, it sure seems like the Angels don't want Blackmon or Dickerson.

 

I really think this is the case. The Angels seem quite fond of this platoon arrangement and keeping the draft pick and all of their pitching. Unfortunately Santiago seems like the most likely trade candidate in terms of getting full value (as opposed to Wilson's damaged value at the moment) and unfortunately for the Angels Hector's actual value is low if you use a WAR-based valuation system.

 

It truly would not surprise me to see them put Santiago in relief and roll out Richards, Wilson, Weaver, Heaney, and Shoemaker in the rotation and keeping Skaggs, Tropeano, and Smith in the Minors (and that might be a waste of Skaggs to be honest).

[Angelfaninidaho]

The angels biggest need is obp. Blackman and dickerson don't provide that.

We have enough HR threats right now.

Cron, Pujols, Calhoun and trout should all hit 20+ this year.

The lineup is riddled with question marks when it comes to obp.

So his .347 OBP, which is higher than the following outfielders doesn't provide that?  OK

20 J.D. Martinez DET 596 93 168 33 2 38 102 3 2 53 178 .282 .344 .535 .879 5.0 RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS WAR 21 Odubel Herrera PHI 495 64 147 30 3 8 41 16 8 28 129 .297 .344 .418 .762 3.8 22 Brett Gardner NYY 571 94 148 26 3 16 66 20 5 68 135 .259 .343 .399 .742 3.3 23 Ben Revere TOR/PHI 592 84 181 22 7 2 45 31 7 32 64 .306 .342 .377 .719 2.6 24 Mookie Betts BOS 597 92 174 42 8 18 77 21 6 46 82 .291 .341 .479 .820 6.0 25 Chris Coghlan CHC 440 64 110 25 6 16 41 11 2 58 94 .250 .341 .443 .784 1.9 26 Ender Inciarte ARI 524 73 159 27 5 6 45 21 10 26 58 .303 .338 .408 .747 5.3 27 Carlos Beltran NYY 478 57 132 34 1 19 67 0 0 45 85 .276 .337 .471 .808 0.9 28 Starling Marte PIT 579 84 166 30 2 19 81 30 10 27 123 .287 .337 .444 .780 5.3 29 Justin Upton SD 542 85 136 26 3 26 81 19 5 68 159 .251 .336 .454 .790 4.4 30 Billy Burns

[Second Base]

Heaney for Jorge Soler or Javier Baez?

I'd do it.

[Hollyw00d]

So his .347 OBP, which is higher than the following outfielders doesn't provide that? OK 20 J.D. Martinez DET 596 93 168 33 2 38 102 3 2 53 178 .282 .344 .535 .879 5.0 RK PLAYER TEAM AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS WAR 21 Odubel Herrera PHI 495 64 147 30 3 8 41 16 8 28 129 .297 .344 .418 .762 3.8 22 Brett Gardner NYY 571 94 148 26 3 16 66 20 5 68 135 .259 .343 .399 .742 3.3 23 Ben Revere TOR/PHI 592 84 181 22 7 2 45 31 7 32 64 .306 .342 .377 .719 2.6 24 Mookie Betts BOS 597 92 174 42 8 18 77 21 6 46 82 .291 .341 .479 .820 6.0 25 Chris Coghlan CHC 440 64 110 25 6 16 41 11 2 58 94 .250 .341 .443 .784 1.9 26 Ender Inciarte ARI 524 73 159 27 5 6 45 21 10 26 58 .303 .338 .408 .747 5.3 27 Carlos Beltran NYY 478 57 132 34 1 19 67 0 0 45 85 .276 .337 .471 .808 0.9 28 Starling Marte PIT 579 84 166 30 2 19 81 30 10 27 123 .287 .337 .444 .780 5.3 29 Justin Upton SD 542 85 136 26 3 26 81 19 5 68 159 .251 .336 .454 .790 4.4 30 Billy Burns

Dickerson isn't even as good as any of those guys, except Beltran and that's only because he's 50 years old

[Chuck]

I think Soler is overrated after watching him.

Reminds me of a young Cuban Glenallen Hill

[Angelfaninidaho]

Dickerson isn't even as good as any of those guys, except Beltran and that's only because he's 50 years old

That was Blackmon

[Hollyw00d]

Same difference, they're.both very similar players.

[Docwaukee]

I think Soler is overrated after watching him.

Reminds me of a young Cuban Glenallen Hill

I totally agree.  Soler isn't the shizz that people make him out to be.  He's poor defensively and a question mark on offense.  I'd like to get Baez, but I think he's a bit overrated as well.  His ability to play MIF or 3b makes him a much better bet though.  

[Hollyw00d]

Actually I think Blackmon would be awful in angel stadium, whereas Dickerson would be just merely bad

[Second Base]

I totally agree.  Soler isn't the shizz that people make him out to be.  He's poor defensively and a question mark on offense.  I'd like to get Baez, but I think he's a bit overrated as well.  His ability to play MIF or 3b makes him a much better bet though.

Baez is going to jack 30 bombs a year while hitting .260. If he were an OF prospect, you say cool and move on, but as someone than can capably man SS and 2B, it becomes "holy crap I want him!".

As for Soler, just completely undisciplined, but I'm guessing he'll grow just enough to cover it up and produce a similar line to Baez.

[Hollyw00d]

Man your analysis of players is always so far off

[floplag]

would either be an upgrade worthy of losing more parts?  thats the real question.  in my mind the answer is no, they dont bring enough  to the table over what we already have on paper. 

[totdprods]

I really think this is the case. The Angels seem quite fond of this platoon arrangement and keeping the draft pick and all of their pitching. Unfortunately Santiago seems like the most likely trade candidate in terms of getting full value (as opposed to Wilson's damaged value at the moment) and unfortunately for the Angels Hector's actual value is low if you use a WAR-based valuation system.

 

It truly would not surprise me to see them put Santiago in relief and roll out Richards, Wilson, Weaver, Heaney, and Shoemaker in the rotation and keeping Skaggs, Tropeano, and Smith in the Minors (and that might be a waste of Skaggs to be honest).

 

I'd be fine starting Skaggs in SLC or pen to let him ease back in. We'll probably need him to fill in for an injured/traded starter at some point early on.

[Angelfaninidaho]

would either be an upgrade worthy of losing more parts?  thats the real question.  in my mind the answer is no, they dont bring enough  to the table over what we already have on paper. 

A leadoff LF who plays 150+ games for us who hits .275-ish and gets on base over .300 and steals 43 bases for a probable #6 starter in our rotation?  Yes.  And twice on Sunday.