Angels sign Cliff Pennington to 2 year deal

[ten ocho recon scout]

AO nicknames

Cliff Claven

Pennington bear

felloffacliff if he sucks

[Brent Maguire]

Is the current lack of championship talent directly related to the lack of production by our highest paid players? You can see that 2/3 of the budget is for Weaver, Wilson, Pujols and Texas Hamilton so is that why Arte now needs to dig deeper to stay competitive?

Just because they got burned by free agent signings doesn't mean they just avoid going that route now. Remember, we lose Weaver and WIlson's contracts after 2016 and Hamilton after 2017. A rebuild with the farm system the Angels have would take 3-4 years most likely to bet better. Is that worth it? 

[Ohtaniland]

Just because they got burned by free agent signings doesn't mean they just avoid going that route now. Remember, we lose Weaver and WIlson's contracts after 2016 and Hamilton after 2017. A rebuild with the farm system the Angels have would take 3-4 years most likely to bet better. Is that worth it?

I understand that every fan of every team in Major League Baseball has high expectations of the team they cheer for. Arte Moreno has spent $852,409,866 in salaries since their last playoff victory. We've seen numerous mega-year over pays since that time so that plan hasn't worked very well. I think it's incredible that people expect Arte to spend more and more money each year and if they lose the answer is to spend even more. I hope Arte just lets the GM build a team through creativity because trying to buy a championship hasn't worked out very well. The highest paid player on the Royals last season made $14M so anything is possible with solid managing.

[Angel Oracle]

In fact, bringing in younger players to the MLB team allows the farm system time to be rebuilt.

Dotting the roster with age 32+ players would not allow that to happen.

[Stradling]

I understand that every fan of every team in Major League Baseball has high expectations of the team they cheer for. Arte Moreno has spent $852,409,866 in salaries since their last playoff victory. We've seen numerous mega-year over pays since that time so that plan hasn't worked very well. I think it's incredible that people expect Arte to spend more and more money each year and if they lose the answer is to spend even more. I hope Arte just lets the GM build a team through creativity because trying to buy a championship hasn't worked out very well. The highest paid player on the Royals last season made $14M so anything is possible with solid managing.

Yes after sucking for 30 years

[eligrba]

The "after 30 years" argument does not hold water because the players on the Royals World Series team have not been there for that long. Obviously the Royals did not do well for a long time, but what about the Angels since 2002 suggests that they have done any better in the last 13 years?

[Ohtaniland]

Yes after sucking for 30 years

They have one more championship than Arte and they accomplished that with a lot less resources. Ned Yost has more playoff wins under his belt the past two seasons than Scioscia has since he started Managing. I still think that we have a competitive team if everybody does their job. I think Eppler has a plan that may not necessarily satisfy everybody's need to spend like a drunken sailor. Scioscia needs to get the most out his team like Yost and Bochy.

[tdawg87]

but what about the Angels since 2002 suggests that they have done any better in the last 13 years?

 

6 division titles vs. 1. 2013 was KC's first season above .500 since 1993 (94 if you include the strike season).

[tdawg87]

They have one more championship than Arte and they accomplished that with a lot less resources. Ned Yost has more playoff wins under his belt the past two seasons than Scioscia has since he started Managing. I still think that we have a competitive team if everybody does their job. I think Eppler has a plan that may not necessarily satisfy everybody's need to spend like a drunken sailor. Scioscia needs to get the most out his team like Yost and Bochy.

 

Did you feel this way coming into 2015? Or during that woeful August?

[stormngt]

6 division titles vs. 1. 2013 was KC's first season above .500 since 1993 (94 if you include the strike season).

I would say that is significantly better.

[Ohtaniland]

I love it when people still talk about 2002 when this current Angels team has nothing in common except Scioscia. Can't we just all agree that 2015 Royals accomplished the same championship run as the 2002 Angels. Minus any PED's.

[Stradling]

The "after 30 years" argument does not hold water because the players on the Royals World Series team have not been there for that long. Obviously the Royals did not do well for a long time, but what about the Angels since 2002 suggests that they have done any better in the last 13 years?

The lack of top five picks in the draft.

[Stradling]

They have one more championship than Arte and they accomplished that with a lot less resources. Ned Yost has more playoff wins under his belt the past two seasons than Scioscia has since he started Managing. I still think that we have a competitive team if everybody does their job. I think Eppler has a plan that may not necessarily satisfy everybody's need to spend like a drunken sailor. Scioscia needs to get the most out his team like Yost and Bochy.

They have less money not less resources. Resources as far as talent comes in spades when you're constantly drafting in the top 5 of the draft. Also you have ZERO idea what Eppler is going to do as it relates to spending money, you are merely going on a hunch. Eppler himself has said they aren't afraid to spend money.

[Stradling]

I love it when people still talk about 2002 when this current Angels team has nothing in common except Scioscia. Can't we just all agree that 2015 Royals accomplished the same championship run as the 2002 Angels. Minus any PED's.

Nice troll post.

[eligrba]

Personally, I would trade all of the division championships for a World Series Championship.

[Stradling]

I would too.

[Hollyw00d]

We won those division championships because the AL West was a joke division 2004-2009

Got exposed in the playoffs by championship teams and championship managers

Edited November 19, 2015 by Hollyw00d

[tdawg87]

And the AL Central was a powerhouse this year.

[Hollyw00d]

Some real beauties in that commercial

[Ohtaniland]

Did you feel this way coming into 2015? Or during that woeful August?

Eppler just said in an MLB.com interview that this team has a lot of fight. He also said that they aren't necessarily looking at the big fish and quickly pointed to minor league free agents. That doesn't look like a big spending plan to me. I support that mindset.

[Ohtaniland]

They have less money not less resources. Resources as far as talent comes in spades when you're constantly drafting in the top 5 of the draft. Also you have ZERO idea what Eppler is going to do as it relates to spending money, you are merely going on a hunch. Eppler himself has said they aren't afraid to spend money.

Eppler's interview today kinda supports my hunch.

[Stradling]

I guess we will see. We've never seen a GM be deceptive about his true intentions.

[Hollyw00d]

Eppler just said in an MLB.com interview that this team has a lot of fight. He also said that they aren't necessarily looking at the big fish and quickly pointed to minor league free agents. That doesn't look like a big spending plan to me. I support that mindset.

You support dumpster diving?

BTW, dipoto did pretty much the same thing while he was here

[Stradling]

Shh you're ruining his narrative.

[Hollyw00d]

I think he was letting the fan base know to not be disappointed if arte doesn't want to fork over the money for marquee FAs this off season