Scioscia "We'll be looking at some changes"

[Blarg]

Pretty much.

The proof is in the pudding.

How many players actually make it that are drafted? Why does the same team draft ~10 players but only ~2 make it? Do the coaches only work with the successful players because the other ~8 fail? Does the Brandon Wood's of the world have great AA coaches, but bad AAA and major league coaches?

There were 1,215 players drafted this June. Do the math, it is more than 10 players per team.

The Angels picked last so good luck Jacob McDonald you are the recipient of the Mr. Irrelevant award.

[ten ocho recon scout]

In all fairness, they don't have much talent to work with.

true, but its been an issue for awhile. I absolutely point fingers at our drafts the last several years, but cant help but wonder if the approach in the minors isnt part of the problem.

[Adam]

Revere

Braun maybe

Ethier

Jay Bruce

What other "decent" outfield bat can be had?

[Stradling]

Reddick

[Adam]

God No

[tdawg87]

Will Venable maybe

Lind - though he's more of a DH

[JAHV76]

Reddick

That sounds painful

[Second Base]

Wilson for Ethier plus 5-10 million and Rhoades for Lind.

2B Giavotella - R

RF Calhoun - L

CF Trout - R

1B Pujols - R

LF Ethier - L

3B Freese - R

DH Lind - L

C Perez - R

SS Aybar - S

Insert Heaney into the rotation. Once the season ends (with a World Series victory of course), we let Freese go and get a draft pick. Replace with Kubitza. Trade Santiago for prospects, insert Skaggs into the rotation.

Edited June 12, 2015 by ScottyA_MWAH

[ukyah]

Wilson for Ethier plus 5-10 million and Rhoades for Lind.

2B Giavotella - R

RF Calhoun - L

CF Trout - R

1B Pujols - R

LF Ethier - L

3B Freese - R

DH Lind - L

C Perez - R

SS Aybar - S

Insert Heaney into the rotation. Once the season ends (with a World Series victory of course), we let Freese go and get a draft pick. Replace with Kubitza. Trade Santiago for prospects, insert Skaggs into the rotation.

 

 

how in god's name do we get a draft pick for freese? you can't possibly be saying we give him a qualifying offer. he'd sign that in a new york minute.

[tdawg87]

how in god's name do we get a draft pick for freese? you can't possibly be saying we give him a qualifying offer. he'd sign that in a new york minute.

 

I don't know if I agree. After what Headley got from NY you can bet Freese will be looking for a similar contract. I could easily see him getting 3/39 or even 4/48. He's on pace for 20+ HR and 90+ RBI's this year. If he gets there, you can bet he'll ride those numbers into a sweet new contract.

 

Sure, the QO will be more money for one year, but he's going to want to sign a long term deal now. He'll be 34 at the start of 2017, which decreases the chances of anyone wanting to give him 3+ years.

[Second Base]

Yup, T-Dawg bailed it. Freese might bet more money than Headley on the open market.

[Adam]

We'd be loving Freese 

 

 

 

if he were hitting 7th

[Guest]

I don't know if I agree. After what Headley got from NY you can bet Freese will be looking for a similar contract. I could easily see him getting 3/39 or even 4/48. He's on pace for 20+ HR and 90+ RBI's this year. If he gets there, you can bet he'll ride those numbers into a sweet new contract.

Sure, the QO will be more money for one year, but he's going to want to sign a long term deal now. He'll be 34 at the start of 2017, which decreases the chances of anyone wanting to give him 3+ years.

The angels don't give qualifying offers as a matter of policy.

The angels didn't give qualifying offers to either Vargas, or Torii Hunter. ( in Hunter's case they gave him an insulting lowball offer citing a tight payroll followed by giving Hamilton $25M a year ) Both those players eventually signed for the QO amount for multiple years with other teams.

Edited June 12, 2015 by ScottLux

[Stradling]

The angels didn't even give qualifying offers to Vargas, or Torii Hunter ( they gave him an insulting lowball offer citing a tight payroll followed by giving Hamilton $25M a year ) even though both those players eventually signed for the QO amount for multiple years with other teams.

No Vargas didn't. Also the Angels did have a tight budget but that's because they preferred Greinke over Hunter, after Greinke signed with the Dodgers it was too late to sign Hunter, he was already with the Tigers. Vargas's deal wasn't close to $13 million a season.

[Chuck]

How about instead of Ben Revere we go after Billy Burns, CF for the A's to leadoff. 

 

Then acquire Lind from the Brewers for DH. 

 

Call it done! 

[Chuck]

Another option for leadoff is Tony Kemp who is primarily a 2B, but has played the outfield. 

 

Check out his stats. http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=milb&player_id=643393#/career/R/hitting/2015/ALL

[Vegas Halo Fan]

No Vargas didn't. Also the Angels did have a tight budget but that's because they preferred Greinke over Hunter, after Greinke signed with the Dodgers it was too late to sign Hunter, he was already with the Tigers. Vargas's deal wasn't close to $13 million a season.

 

It's a shame that this shook out the way that it did, because if the Angels had re-upped with Hunter the Hamilton signing would not have happened.

[Hollyw00d]

I'd rather have George burns

[ukyah]

I don't know if I agree. After what Headley got from NY you can bet Freese will be looking for a similar contract. I could easily see him getting 3/39 or even 4/48. He's on pace for 20+ HR and 90+ RBI's this year. If he gets there, you can bet he'll ride those numbers into a sweet new contract.

 

Sure, the QO will be more money for one year, but he's going to want to sign a long term deal now. He'll be 34 at the start of 2017, which decreases the chances of anyone wanting to give him 3+ years.

 

 

Yup, T-Dawg bailed it. Freese might bet more money than Headley on the open market.

 

while i totally agree that he'd prefer a long term deal over a QO, preferences mean very little.

i'll put a six pack to each of you that the angels don't offer freese a QO (tdawg) and that he doesn't get a contract for more than headley (scotty). i don't see either happening.

[ELEVEN]

Ooh... we could use a gambling with beers forum.

[tdawg87]

lol I wouldn't actually bet anything, especially considering Freese's health history.

 

But we'll see. Jeff Fletcher agrees with you that there is no way he gets a QO. But his career offensive numbers are literally identical to Headley's. I just can't see him getting less than 3/36 on the open market. Would he really take the extra 2.someodd million for one year over a solid 3 year contract?

[Vegas Halo Fan]

At least Scioscia is admitting that they need to change some things.

 

I'm not as encouraged as you are. This statement...

 

...trying to get a deeper lineup until some guys start to swing the way they’re capable of

 

...leads me to believe that he still firmly holds the belief that his players will eventually produce if he just keeps running them out there, when some of them may just be done.

Edited June 13, 2015 by Vegas Halo Fan

[cysomeawfulpitcher]

He'll change...by letting a bad hitter go and having an equally bad hitter replace them.

[Inside Pitch]

lol I wouldn't actually bet anything, especially considering Freese's health history.

 

But we'll see. Jeff Fletcher agrees with you that there is no way he gets a QO. But his career offensive numbers are literally identical to Headley's. I just can't see him getting less than 3/36 on the open market. Would he really take the extra 2.someodd million for one year over a solid 3 year contract?

 

Offensively, they are similar so long as you don't look at their three year profiles -- defensively it's not close.  

 

Focusing the comparison on the previous three years (2012-2014), Headley's put up an OPS+ of 123 to Freese's 111 -- that's a fairly significant gap.  Compare their WAR over that same span and Headley dwarf's Frreese 13.2 to 4.7 -- it's not remotely close. 

 

The QO last year was 15.3 Mil, it will likely go up again next year.  I have a hard time seeing Freese passing on a potential one year 17 mil deal.   I have a harder time believing a MLB team would be willing to lose a first rounder to sign David Freese.

Edited June 13, 2015 by Inside Pitch

[tdawg87]

How about we compare their last 4 seasons at the end of this year and we'll see how much better Headley has been. My guess is they'll be a lot closer.

 

There's no question Headley is better defensively. And is a better player overall. That's why I said he won't make as much, but I think it will be pretty close. The 3rd base class next year is awful, and Freese will likely be the most enticing option. If a team is desperate enough for an everyday 3rd baseman, I could see them giving up a first rounder for him.

 

That said, if the QO is closer to 17 million than 15 million, then this is all a moot point because Freese would probably accept that offer.