So yeah, about that letter the republicans sent to Iran...

[Glen]

Anybody here think it was OK or defensible in any way?  Keep in mind that "somebody else did something vaguely like that before" is a third-grade-level argument.  I'm not surprised at all that it was done, but I still think it was a pretty shitty thing to do and I hope it continues to backfire like a mother****er on the idiots that did it (and are now trying to, of course, blame Obama for it or pretend it was just a joke).

[Rico]

I'm pretty sure it is an act of treason.

[mtangelsfan]

I'm pretty sure it is an act of treason.

 

Meh.  It was stupid, unthinkable, arrogant and irresponsible.  It isn't treason unless Pelosi goes with them for her visit to Syria a few years ago.

 

and no, it isn't defensible, at all.

[Hollyw00d]

The senate needs to be rebuilt for the ground up, there's no bigger hive of scum and villainy in the galaxy

And the fact that they don't even know their duties and responsibilities is disturbing in and of itself

Edited March 11, 2015 by Hollyw00d

[Glen]

Meh.  It was stupid, unthinkable, arrogant and irresponsible.  It isn't treason unless Pelosi goes with them for her visit to Syria a few years ago.

 

and no, it isn't defensible, at all.

 

 

But you just tried to defend it, and by using the "somebody else (an individual) did it first" argument.  That said...I don't think it's treason but it's pretty damn close.  I don't think the republicans would have been OK with a group of 47 democrats sending a letter to Iraq during the Gulf War.  If it's not acceptable for the other guys to do it, it isn't acceptable for you to do it.

[mtangelsfan]

I didn't defend the act at all.  Just the idea it is treason.

 

I think a lot of things Obama does are awful and undefensible.  That doesn't mean I think they were treasonous.

 

I will say this, just because you try to disqualify an argument doesn't really make it disqualified.

[shellback]

they are ****ing idiots and need to be prosecuted under the logan act.

i heard the only reason that prosecution under this law is not happening is that there are too many senators involved.

i say, what a great way to clean house!

**** these mother****ers.every godammned one of them.

[Glen]

Fair enough.  And as I said, I don't think it's treason, but it's certainly shitty.

[Jason]

But you just tried to defend it, and by using the "somebody else (an individual) did it first" argument.  That said...I don't think it's treason but it's pretty damn close.  I don't think the republicans would have been OK with a group of 47 democrats sending a letter to Iraq during the Gulf War.  If it's not acceptable for the other guys to do it, it isn't acceptable for you to do it.

I agree with this.They may not like what Obama is doing but there are systems set up and this isn't one of them.

[Adam]

People I can't stand doing stupid things to spite people I can't stand.

[Adam]

I agree with this.They may not like what Obama is doing but there are systems set up and this isn't one of them.

 

Seriously. The "letter" is grandstanding political crap. You can send the same message through public appearances or on TV

[Crampknees]

Just remember Benghazi folks, anything else is not worth the time.

[nate]

People in our government do some petty crap.  This is one of them.

[Jay]

Each branch of government taking turns seeing how it can ignore separation of powers.

 

Cooperation between branches at all-time low.

[Adam]

None of these people do anything if it doesn't benefit themselves. The 47 people who signed this letter would only do so it earned them points with their voters

[Crampknees]

Each branch of government taking turns seeing how it can ignore separation of powers.

 

Cooperation between branches at all-time low.

Ya no kidding, it is getting really absurd.  I don't see the cooperation needle pointing back up anytime soon.  We are doomed. 

[shellback]

Seriously. The "letter" is grandstanding political crap. You can send the same message through public appearances or on TV

 

yes adam, but when private citizens attempt to negociate treatys with a foreign government, its a violation of federal statute(the logan act) which they tried to get stokely carmichael on when he went to north viet nam.

[Tank]

the best way to deal with any treaty the president negotiates is not to ratify it in the senate, which is their constitutional duty/right/privilege.

 

to send a letter is yet another log of on the "we hate this president and won't cooperate with him" fire. of course, the president has been doing the same to congress via his executive orders, so we have a tit-for-tat going on.

[Glen]

How are Obama's executive orders different from those of any other president, and how do they in any way excuse what these Republicans did?

[Crampknees]

This is for sure tit-for-tat but filing an executive order or mailing one of the "Axis of Evil" varsity players.  The hate for this POTUS actually harms us more then he has done harm.  

[JAHV76]

What did the letter state? FU we got Pujols?

[Amazing Larry]

The letter is still on Linday Graham's computer screen. He's waiting for his aid to show him how to email it.

[Tank]

How are Obama's executive orders different from those of any other president, and how do they in any way excuse what these Republicans did?

 

barry's immigration plan and the bypassing of congress in the process immediately come to mind.

 

i have no issue with executive orders, but the hatred by the repubs against this prez is so strong, they're taking matters into their own hands. it's a giant pissing match.

[Crampknees]

Term limits I would vote on in a heartbeat, however, younger guy I play golf with recently took Congress in our district, beating the incumbent who still ran at 90 and his e-mails I get are right off the "All Obama Channel," I don't think it matters at this point. 

[Inside Pitch]

they are ****ing idiots and need to be prosecuted under the logan act.

The Logan act doesnt apply -- doesn't sound like any effort to negotiate was made.