Was Scioscia's managing performance in 2002 a fluke?

[YouthofToday]

I also love the name change to Los Angeles.

No idea what the logic is to change the team name to Anaheim and how that magically translates to a World Series trophy. Using the same logic vaccines cause autism...

[mtangelsfan]

This.  "Yes, actually, Ibanez completely sucks balls and I wouldn't be playing him personally, but hey that's Mike's job." No GM would openly criticize their manager's roster decisions to the media.  

 

That was his own quote.  Seriously if he wanted Ibanez out he would cut him.  Poor Jerry, he's just a sad, impotent pawn according to a bunch of posters here.

[Blarg]

I believe the intent of this thread is to simply state that any win with Scioscia as the manager is a fluke. All loses are simply expected results.

[RallyMo]

He is statistically one of the best managers of all time.

[nate]

Jeff Tedford is statistically one of the best coaches in Cal history.

[Blarg]

That was below the belt.

[mp170.6]

He is statistically one of the best managers of all time.

 

And it helps to have an owner willing to pay big bucks to lure free agents here. 

 

Yes, a number of highly-touted free agents have been a bust.  But without guys like Vlad, Scioscia's numbers wouldn't be nearly as good. 

[nate]

And it helps to have an owner willing to pay big bucks to lure free agents here. 

 

Yes, a number of highly-touted free agents have been a bust.  But without guys like Vlad, Scioscia's numbers wouldn't be nearly as good. 

 

You could say that about any manager.  "Without a great GM this manager... without a great owner this manager... without this great player that manager..."

[RallyMo]

Jeff Tedford is statistically one of the best coaches in Cal history.

Cal Football history is full of suck for almost a century now.

Scioscia's record matches up with many of the best of the best.

You know this. That's hurtful.

Edited June 6, 2014 by RallyMo

[RallyMo]

And it helps to have an owner willing to pay big bucks to lure free agents here.

Yes, a number of highly-touted free agents have been a bust. But without guys like Vlad, Scioscia's numbers wouldn't be nearly as good.

Wait, you're saying that without his best players, Scioscia's numbers wouldn't be nearly as good?

Are you consulting your household pet for argument construction?

[nate]

Cal Football history is full of suck for almost a century now.

Scioscia's record matches up with many of the best of the best.

You're not good at this game.

 

Statistically he is falling a ton in the last few years.  He is 45th all time among managers that have managed at least two full seasons.

[nate]

Rally, I owe you for ****ing with me on Facebook.

[RallyMo]

Statistically he is falling a ton in the last few years. He is 45th all time among managers that have managed at least two full seasons.

That'll happen when you have consecutive down years, which I'm sure all good managers have.

[Hollyw00d]

In 2002 we had players that had been together for years, players who weren't paid stupid amounts of money to suck, players with great baseball qualities, who knew how to steal bases and hit in the clutch and not make boneheaded mistakes, they had that raw baseball instinct to do anything they had to do to win.

Scioscia catered to those characteristics accordingly, did not manage like a pu**y, and it paid off.

Although I think that team would have won no matter who was managing.

And last, purely opinion here...taking the "Anaheim" out of the team name was a terrible terrible move, especially since that's the name they won with. Why ANYONE would do that in the name of "business" is beyond me. No Angels fan gives a s**t about being associated with bum piss smelling Los Angeles. We know baseball is a superstitious sport, as dumb as it may seem. The Angels won their ONLY World Series under the city name of Anaheim. Why the hell would an owner be so willing to screw with that so soon after they won? Why would you change the city name to become a mockery of MLB and people who don't even know baseball but still think it's stupid? What player has pride in their team and where they play when the city they play in is not even where they're located? Put Anaheim back on those roadies and I think things might start looking Angels.

I wish they get Anaheim completely out of the name. Nobody outside of OC knows where Anaheim is, nor do they give a f***. We're the laughing stock of the league, and the fact that the team name is a phrase is not helping anything.

[EDinTUSTIN]

it can be argued that the team would be much better off right now if arte hadn't spent money (and played GM)

That is a good point, Hollyw00d.

[Broad Street]

Saying Sosh shouldn't be held accountable for his mistakes because he's "statistically one of the best managers of all time" is like Pujols bringing up his career stats with RISP...

[maximus p]

  No body is perfect.

Maybe, but Kate Upton is pretty damn close, IMO!

[Broad Street]

Maybe, but Kate Upton is pretty damn close, IMO!

 

There's so much truth to this.... So much.

[Lou]

Statistically he is falling a ton in the last few years.  He is 45th all time among managers that have managed at least two full seasons.

 

Out of how many?

[Lou]

Saying Sosh shouldn't be held accountable for his mistakes because he's "statistically one of the best managers of all time" is like Pujols bringing up his career stats with RISP...

 

Who said he shouldn't be held accountable? 

[Inside Pitch]

You expect Dipoto to publicly contradict his Manager?

 

You expect a manager to openly defy his GM?   Not so much taking the opposite position as much as offering the most obvious counterpoint.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[Broad Street]

Who said he shouldn't be held accountable? 

 

Sorry, accountable was a poor choice of words you're right.

 

Sticking up for Sosh for his poor managing based on past performance is like sticking up for Pujols and his inability to hit with RISP based on career stats.

[Inside Pitch]

Ironically his teams of recent years are garbage at manufacturing runs and pitching.

 

Absolutely.  He deserves some of the blame, just not sure it's all on him.   The Angels have made a bunch of mistakes at every level of management at a time when more and more teams have been getting smarter.

 

Bad combo, and yeah..  MS seems slow to change.

Edited June 7, 2014 by Inside Pitch

[ten ocho recon scout]

Scioscia made the gutsy call of going with an unknown Krod throughout the playoffs in tough situations after Webber struggled with the Yanks. We don't win without that decision. All your post is really proving is Stoneman was better than Dipoto.

while im not disagreeing about stoneman, its still apples to oranges. Dipoto inherited a mess of a situation. Few real players in the minors, aging staff, and an owner who hancuffed him with two big signings.

And it cant be ignored that it happed precisely when texas and oakland both got very good. Its almost like aeattle in the early part of the decade (2000's). They were the class of the division, but the angels finally put it all together, and oakland struck gold with the big 3.

Houston looks to improve vastly over the next two years. This is another reason im all for playing the greens and crons. Our young guys have to become our seasoned guys.

[RallyMo]

Saying Sosh shouldn't be held accountable for his mistakes because he's "statistically one of the best managers of all time" is like Pujols bringing up his career stats with RISP...

Saying that I said that when I never did is like being really bad at understanding what you're reading and completely ignoring context.

Edited June 7, 2014 by RallyMo