Shohei Ohtani signs with the Dodgers (10 years, $700 million)

[Dtwncbad]

6 minutes ago, T.G. said:

Ok. Great.  That was fun.

It didn't happen though.

What else you got?

 

There is no evidence this is the deal, correct.

If, by chance, in 2034 it is announced the Ohtani has purchased part ownership in the Dodgers, will you please remember that some random dude on this website saw the structure of the deal Ohtani signed in 2023 and viewed it as being a structure that would break no current rules but would actually facilitate a player playing for equity?

 

[T.G.]

Just now, Dtwncbad said:

There is no evidence this is the deal, correct.

If, by chance, in 2034 it is announced the Ohtani has purchased part ownership in the Dodgers, will you please remember that some random dude on this website saw the structure of the deal Ohtani signed in 2023 and viewed it as being a structure that would break no current rules but would actually facilitate a player playing for equity?

 

I can't even remember what I had for breakfast.

 

[Vlad27Trout27]

I didn't have any issues with Othani signing with the Dodgers. But this is an dick move. Imagine if he had offered to something similar could have changed the outlook of the season.

[Dtwncbad]

Also, what else I got?  Nothing.  It’s the offseason and we are talking about the only thing happening in baseball.  Contracts.

[T.G.]

Just now, Dtwncbad said:

Also, what else I got?  Nothing.  It’s the offseason and we are talking about the only thing happening in baseball.  Contracts.

Wrong.  We have also been discussing possible names for Ohtani's dog.

[Lazorko Saves]

1 minute ago, T.G. said:

I miss the time when we all thought Ohtani was on a plane to Toronto.

Now we know why it wasn't him.  At only $2 million a year, he can't afford to fly a Global 5000 anywhere on his own dime.

8 hours round trip x $10k an hour for a G5000 = $80k for the SNA-YYZ round trip.

That's the equivalent of $2400 for someone making $60k a year.

 

[m0nkey]

Those damn Japanese and their brains 

[ten ocho recon scout]

I doubt we'll ever know because the negotiations were super secret squirrel, but I'm curious to what we offered, and how realistic it ever was that he would stay.

[Dtwncbad]

1 minute ago, T.G. said:

Wrong.  We have also been discussing possible names for Ohtani's dog.

Now that we know details on his contract, I suggest “DaFurr”

[T.G.]

2 minutes ago, ten ocho recon scout said:

I doubt we'll ever know because the negotiations were super secret squirrel, but I'm curious to what we offered, and how realistic it ever was that he would stay.

Arte's conversation with Ohtani started like this...

"Hey Shohei, we can't even afford to send our radio broadcast team on the road..."

[Lazorko Saves]

So according to B-R numbers, Arte has paid Shohei just under $40 million in his time with the Angels.  Aka, his "cost controlled" years.  Doesn't include the fee paid to his Japan team.

Dodgers won't have paid Shohei $40 million until Q2 of 2034.

[greginpsca]

Wondering if the IRS will have something to say about deferring 68m of his $70 m. After all it is payroll. Before i retired the most i could defer into a retirement account was 15%. 

[Amazing Larry]

22 minutes ago, Tank said:

stay in your lane, shohei.

He’s Asian. That’s a big ask. 

[Angels 1961]

5 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Wondering if the IRS will have something to say about deferring 68m of his $70 m. After all it is payroll. Before i retired the most i could defer into a retirement account was 15%. 

That's because you could not hit or throw a curve

[Lazorko Saves]

15 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Wondering if the IRS will have something to say about deferring 68m of his $70 m. After all it is payroll. Before i retired the most i could defer into a retirement account was 15%. 

That's tax deferral, which has a flat number cap.

Shohei is not just deferring the taxes on it, he's deferring the receiving of it entirely.  Not even the IRS is so evil as to tax you on payroll you haven't received yet.

[greginpsca]

12 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

That's because you could not hit or throw a curve

60 years ago i could do both. Just not good enough.

[Docwaukee]

6 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

He wouldn’t have to want to be a permanent owner to make the deal I described.  He could choose the cash, or the ownership, or sell the increased value of ownership position and make hundreds of millions more.

This wouldn't surprise me at all.  Of course they wouldn't be able to structure something like that now, but I would bet there's a back room deal for him to have an interest.  One of the greatest players of all time and of Japanese descent.  They'll keep that fan base for another decade plus.  

 

[Chuck]

Totally agree! 

[Chuck]

 

[James]

1 minute ago, Chuck said:

Totally agree! 

It's the truth. Saying it's good for the sport is just saying what mlb wants. If your an 8 year old in a small market, how appealing is that team to root for? They aren't and it's getting worse. 

[3pitchwalk]

i wasnt all that mad or aggrieved about the dude signing with the doyers but this whole 2M in actual salary shit got me to change my mind.

fuck this dude and fuck this shit.

idk how mlb can allow more than 90% of a contract to be deferred, idk how that should be able to lower a teams AAV, and idk what kind of smooth-brained, mouth-breathing, helmet-wearer defers practically his whole contract. i dont buy for a second he offered this same deal to all of the teams he was dealing with.

if he comes back and pitches like shit, im gonna enjoy it now. i hope he has fun with the first round exits.

[Angels 1961]

3 minutes ago, 3pitchwalk said:

i wasnt all that mad or aggrieved about the dude signing with the doyers but this whole 2M in actual salary shit got me to change my mind.

fuck this dude and fuck this shit.

idk how mlb can allow more than 90% of a contract to be deferred, idk how that should be able to lower a teams AAV, and idk what kind of smooth-brained, mouth-breathing, helmet-wearer defers practically his whole contract. i dont buy for a second he offered this same deal to all of the teams he was dealing with.

if he comes back and pitches like shit, im gonna enjoy it now. i hope he has fun with the first round exits.

If Chokeshaw (Clayton) retires they should get out of first round.

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

Its easy to defer $680 million when you're pulling in $40-$60 million/year in endorsement money. 

The Dodgers have a Grade A front office. A lot of people here upset by this would be calling Arte a genius if Shohei and him agreed to this with the Angels. If the CBA says nothing about capping deferments, then honestly, why the hell not? 

I've always felt baseball needed a salary cap and floor but at this point; it almost feels like thats virtually impossible now. 

[T.G.]

Some guys look at the competition and think... "I want to beat their asses." Others look at the competition and think, "I want to join that team."

 

[Angels_Make_Me_Drink]

Ok but what exactly have the Dodgers won? They get meme'd to death for being a fucking fraud in the playoffs and a good majority of people don't respect their short season ring. Its not like Shohei is joining some perennial championship winning team to piggyback for rings lol.