The Official Los Angeles Angels 2023-2024 Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Inside Pitch]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Montgomery doesn’t cost a pick so I’d prefer him over Snell. 

That's been my position since day one.  I haven't soured on him, I just see where longevity may be a question mark.

I'll say this much, in my search to find the best possible value while focusing on the pitch modeling data from last year its become clear that having the money to potentially throw it all at Corbin Burnes is key.  He's the best chance they have at getting a Zach Wheeler return and unlike Wheeler he nay have a preference for the west coast.

Seriously, barring injury Corbin Burnes stands to excellent.  

The Baltimore duo of Grayson Rodriguez and Kyle Bradish likewise should keep Orioles fans happy for a while.

 

 

[arch stanton]

Even when Montgomery was pitching well in the playoffs he always seemed one hanging curveball from getting hammered and that's a feeling I already get 2 out of 5 games with the Angels

[Tank]

4 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

There are some guys that with interesting underlying numbers still out there.

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[Inside Pitch]

6 hours ago, Tank said:

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Yes, actually...  He's one of them.  

[Angel Oracle]

16 days until pitchers and catchers report

[Angels 1961]

6 hours ago, Tank said:

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Clevenger

[Erstad Grit]

10 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

That's been my position since day one.  I haven't soured on him, I just see where longevity may be a question mark.

I'll say this much, in my search to find the best possible value while focusing on the pitch modeling data from last year its become clear that having the money to potentially throw it all at Corbin Burnes is key.  He's the best chance they have at getting a Zach Wheeler return and unlike Wheeler he nay have a preference for the west coast.

Seriously, barring injury Corbin Burnes stands to excellent.  

The Baltimore duo of Grayson Rodriguez and Kyle Bradish likewise should keep Orioles fans happy for a while.

 

 

I think his curve is the best in MLB. I'd prefer him over Cole, and wouldn't be shocked if he gets that much money or more.

[Dtwncbad]

15 minutes ago, Angels 1961 said:

Clevenger

The Angels need a for sure theng, someone that doesn’t geve up dengers, so ef you want to fenger a target, you should seng the praises of a real renger.

Es that really Clevenger?

[Dtwncbad]

Wenger

[Dtwncbad]

Genger 

[Angels in 2030]

I'm all for adding both Lorenzo & Clevenger.  Guys who won't cost a crazy long/huge contract -- who could be prime trade assets come the TDL to help build for the future.

[Angel Oracle]

Winger

Edited January 29 by Angel Oracle

[Dtwncbad]

10 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

Winger

No, Wenger

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, Erstad Grit said:

I think his curve is the best in MLB. I'd prefer him over Cole, and wouldn't be shocked if he gets that much money or more.

You may be pleased to hear that pitch modeling rates his curve at 160, second in MLB to Sandy Alcantara who comes in at 161.  The guy in third comes in at 153. The gap between Burnes at 160 and the 10th best guys (Seth Lugo/Merrill Kelly 121) is massive.

Now that you are probably pleased to see some new fangled data that jives with what you see let me harsh your mellow...  Know what pitcher in MLB best combined the stuff on his Curve with his location last year?  

Tyler Anderson at 143.. 

Anderson's curve and change up were both really good offerings.  He may not be the disaster he looked to be last year moving forward.
 

[Inside Pitch]

28 minutes ago, Angels in 2030 said:

I'm all for adding both Lorenzo & Clevenger.  Guys who won't cost a crazy long/huge contract -- who could be prime trade assets come the TDL to help build for the future.

Both guys grade out decently.

[greginpsca]

36 minutes ago, Angels in 2030 said:

I'm all for adding both Lorenzo & Clevenger.  Guys who won't cost a crazy long/huge contract -- who could be prime trade assets come the TDL to help build for the future.

Only on one year deals.

[Dtwncbad]

19 minutes ago, greginpsca said:

Only on one year deals.

Yeah, and pro-rated for just the nine months of baseball.

[Erstad Grit]

26 minutes ago, Inside Pitch said:

You may be pleased to hear that pitch modeling rates his curve at 160, second in MLB to Sandy Alcantara who comes in at 161.  The guy in third comes in at 153. The gap between Burnes at 160 and the 10th best guys (Seth Lugo/Merrill Kelly 121) is massive.

Now that you are probably pleased to see some new fangled data that jives with what you see let me harsh your mellow...  Know what pitcher in MLB best combined the stuff on his Curve with his location last year?  

Tyler Anderson at 143.. 

Anderson's curve and change up were both really good offerings.  He may not be the disaster he looked to be last year moving forward.
 

I actually like TA. I think he could be the best #5 SP in MLB, which I get has a ting of criticalness to it.

TA obviously doesn't have the fastball someone like Cole has to better setup his off speed stuff. 

I want Snell, with the qualifier that it wouldn't prevent us from getting Burnes. 

[totdprods]

Good to see everyone isn't hating on Anderson yet. Last year was rough for him but he's never really been that bad. I don't think he'll ever be as good as he was in 2022, but think he can return to being at least an average mid-rotation guy.

And frankly, if he gets to a point where he has an ERA sub-4 this July, should probably try and move him.

[Dtwncbad]

1 hour ago, Angels in 2030 said:

 

I'm all for adding both Lorenzo & Clevenger. 

 

Lorenzo says yes.

[Angel Oracle]

50 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Good to see everyone isn't hating on Anderson yet. Last year was rough for him but he's never really been that bad. I don't think he'll ever be as good as he was in 2022, but think he can return to being at least an average mid-rotation guy.

And frankly, if he gets to a point where he has an ERA sub-4 this July, should probably try and move him.

For whatever reason, he averaged 4 BBs per 9 innings in 2023.

That from a guy with a career average through 2022 of 2.5 BBs/9 innings.

Was the coaching telling the pitchers to not attack the strike zone much?   This staff has been near the bottom of the AL the past 3 years in walks allowed.

Edited January 29 by Angel Oracle

[Tank]

3 hours ago, Inside Pitch said:

Yes, actually...  He's one of them.  

[DMVol]

58 minutes ago, totdprods said:

Good to see everyone isn't hating on Anderson yet. Last year was rough for him but he's never really been that bad. I don't think he'll ever be as good as he was in 2022, but think he can return to being at least an average mid-rotation guy.

And frankly, if he gets to a point where he has an ERA sub-4 this July, should probably try and move him.

He doesn't have to be 2022 good to help....just somewhere between 2022 and 2023....which isn't unrealistic....

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