Gameday Thread: (8/23/23 Game 1 1pm) Reds @ Angels: Ohtani on the mound, no Trout or Schanuel

[Angelsjunky]

The Angels actually have a bit of a quandary for next year's outfield. They have an injury-prone aging star who hasn't played more than 70% of a season since 2019, a guy coming off a potentially career ending injury, and two busted prospects who are trying to reclaim their careers. They probably need to sign a guy.

[jsnpritchett]

Ohtani isn't taking his next at bat.  Ugh.

[jsnpritchett]

"Arm fatigue" is the official reason Ohtani was taken out.

Meanwhile, the offense is setting up something this inning.  Now would be a good time for Schanuel's first HR.

[DMVol]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

Ohtani isn't taking his next at bat.  Ugh.

I bet it's cramping....the blisters haven't kept him from hitting....

[jsnpritchett]

4 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

The Angels actually have a bit of a quandary for next year's outfield. They have an injury-prone aging star who hasn't played more than 70% of a season since 2019, a guy coming off a potentially career ending injury, and two busted prospects who are trying to reclaim their careers. They probably need to sign a guy.

I agree with your overall take (i.e., that they need to sign/acquire someone), but there's been no indication that Ward's injury is potentially career-ending.

[VladdyforHOF]

4 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

The Angels actually have a bit of a quandary for next year's outfield. They have an injury-prone aging star who hasn't played more than 70% of a season since 2019, a guy coming off a potentially career ending injury, and two busted prospects who are trying to reclaim their careers. They probably need to sign a guy.

Bellinger? Pederson? Renfroe? Grichuk? Check out the FAs this winter. Mostly garbage.

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, DMVol said:

I bet it's cramping....the blisters haven't kept him from hitting....

 

[VladdyforHOF]

Nevin had it right all along; needed to keep Schanuel available to potentially replace glass Ohtani.

-Swordsman

[jsnpritchett]

Schanuel was definitely out there.  Let's see if it gets overturned.  Not a good look for him, especially after the bad error last night.

[Ron Mexico]

Sounds like TJ surgery for Ohtani coming up. 

 

 

[gurn67]

That was such an Angels inning. Promising and then turns to complete crap. lol

[jsnpritchett]

Anderson has had a couple of pretty easy, effective innings so far.  Maybe they need to use an "opener" for him from now on...

[Blarg]

I'm going to say it because it's true. The Angels have mismanaged Ohtani by letting him determine his playing time and his pitch sequencing. There is no doubt he has been trying to put up another MVP season but he needs rest after each of his pitching outings. The Angels would not commit to managing his health over his appearences. 

[Duren, Duren]

O'Hoppe has hit a number of warning track fly balls. He's just swinging under the pitch by a bit. Should be correctible. 

Hey! They advertised the Trout hockey jersey for Sept. 8th. I'll be at the game.

They say the 'first 25,000' . I assume I won't have to lineup super early before they're gone? 

[Blarg]

Just now, gurn67 said:

That was such an Angels inning. Promising and then turns to complete crap. lol

They scored. 

[jsnpritchett]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

I'm going to say it because it's true. The Angels have mismanaged Ohtani by letting him determine his playing time and his pitch sequencing. There is no doubt he has been trying to put up another MVP season but he needs rest after each of his pitching outings. The Angels would not commit to managing his health over his appearences. 

Yeah, I think it's clear that this point that regardless of what a "unicorn" he is, he's probably NOT the best judge of when he's good to go/fully healthy.

[fan_since79]

11 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

Hope it's simply that and he didn't blow out his elbow.

[VladdyforHOF]

2 minutes ago, Blarg said:

I'm going to say it because it's true. The Angels have mismanaged Ohtani by letting him determine his playing time and his pitch sequencing. There is no doubt he has been trying to put up another MVP season but he needs rest after each of his pitching outings. The Angels would not commit to managing his health over his appearences. 

Drunk posting at 2:10 PM?

[Inside Pitch]

42 minutes ago, jsnpritchett said:

Ugggggh.  Othani leaving the game.  Not good.

He's got to protect his potential FA.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, Inside Pitch said:

He's got to protect his potential FA.

Despite the HR today, I think the last couple of weeks of him on the mound (or NOT on the mound...) are probably at least making potential bidders take pause.

[VladdyforHOF]

There's literally no sound proof that more rest is better than normal rest for the arm of a pitcher.

[Inside Pitch]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

Despite the HR today, I think the last couple of weeks of him on the mound (or NOT on the mound...) are probably at least making potential bidders take pause.

The 2012-15 regime would have started to leak stories to undermine his FA by now.

[jsnpritchett]

Just now, VladdyforHOF said:

There's literally no sound proof that more rest is better than normal rest for the arm of a pitcher.

My point in my previous post was specific to Ohtani and my feeling that the team has given him too much leeway in determining what's best for him.

[VladdyforHOF]

Just now, jsnpritchett said:

My point in my previous post was specific to Ohtani and my feeling that the team has given him too much leeway in determining what's best for him.

My response was directed at the nonsense Blarg posted that Ohtani "needs rest after his starts."

[Inside Pitch]

Just now, VladdyforHOF said:

There's literally no sound proof that more rest is better than normal rest for the arm of a pitcher.

Considering there is a very limited sample size compared to that of people pitching in a regular 5 man rotation there is no proof it doesn't help. 

Your same argument was made when teams started going from a 4 to a 5 man rotation and then 5 years into league wide 5 man rotations there were suddenly tons of studies that showed HOLY SHIT, MORE REST IS BENEFICIAL and reduces the number of injuries.

I actually have no idea if a 5 v 6 man rotation helps or doesn't, mostly pointing out that anyone that claims it's conclusive one way or the other is talking out of their bum.