The 6-Man Rotation and Extra Days Rest

[BTH]

The Angels use of a 6-man rotation already puts them in tough spots. You live with it because Ohtani is an other-worldly talent.

But to start inserting AAA starters to give guys extra rest is where I draw the line. It's actively losing the team games and putting increased stress on the bullpen.

All the starters in the Angels rotation are getting more rest than starters from other MLB teams just by virtue of the 6-man rotation. They shouldn't need extra days rest beyond that.

Other teams have starters in their rotation coming back from TJ surgery or increases in workloads, so I don't want to hear that excuse.

 

The Angels have had enough issues assembling a quality 5-man rotation. Instead, they make the challenge even bigger for themselves by needing a 6 to 7 man rotation.

 

EDIT: Here's some additional context...

The following starters all pitched pretty much exclusively as relievers in 2021, just like Lorenzen, before joining the rotation. Here's the number of days rest they've had between starts this season:

Michael Lorenzen
5 days rest: 2 games started
6 days rest+: 7 games started

Tyler Wells
4 DR: 6 GS
5 DR: 3 GS
6+ DR: 2 GS

Michael Kopech
4 DR: 1 GS
5 DR: 6 GS
6+ DR: 3 GS

Garrett Whitlock
3 DR: 1 GS
4 DR: 3 GS
5 DR: 5 GS

Jeffrey Springs
4 DR: 2 GS
5 DR: 5 GS

Jordan Hicks
3 DR: 1 GS
4 DR: 4 GS
5 DR: 1 GS
6+ DR: 1 GS

 

Here's a sample of pitchers who had TJ and missed most, if not all, of the last 2 years and the breakdown of the number of days rest they've had before starts this season...

Noah Syndergaard:

5 days rest: 2 GS
6+ days rest: 7 GS

 

Alex Faedo:

4 DR: 1 GS

5 DR: 5 GS

6+ DR: 1 GS

 

Dakota Hudson:

4 DR: 6 GS

5 DR: 3 GS

6+ DR: 2 GS

 

Justin Verlander: 

4 DR: 2 GS

5 DR: 7 GS

6 DR: 2 GS

 

Mike Clevinger:

5 DR: 1 GS

6+ DR: 3 GS

 

Jordan Hicks:
3 DR: 1 GS
4 DR: 4 GS
5 DR: 1 GS
6+ DR: 1 GS

[Amazing Larry]

Agreed. I’ve always thought the 6 man rotation is stupid. 

[Lou]

34 minutes ago, Trendon said:

Other teams have starters in their rotation coming back from TJ surgery or increases in workloads, so I don't want to hear that excuse.

 

How many of those pitchers haven't pitched for basically 2 years? It's not an excuse, it's a precaution during what is a very long season. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

I would rather they skipped Syndergaard in the rotation, maybe had him work an inning or two out of the pen at some point, than just pushing him back a couple days. Seems like they must've not planned this if it meant calling up Diaz and not working it in around an off day.

[BTH]

46 minutes ago, Lou said:

How many of those pitchers haven't pitched for basically 2 years? It's not an excuse, it's a precaution during what is a very long season. 

Here's a sample of pitchers who had TJ and missed most, if not all, of the last 2 years and the breakdown of the number of days rest they've had before starts this season...

Noah Syndergaard:

5 days rest: 2 GS
6+ days rest: 7 GS

 

Alex Faedo:

4 DR: 1 GS

5 DR: 5 GS

6+ DR: 1 GS

 

Dakota Hudson:

4 DR: 6 GS

5 DR: 3 GS

6+ DR: 2 GS

 

Justin Verlander: 

4 DR: 2 GS

5 DR: 7 GS

6 DR: 2 GS

 

Mike Clevinger:

5 DR: 1 GS

6+ DR: 3 GS

 

Jordan Hicks:
3 DR: 1 GS
4 DR: 4 GS
5 DR: 1 GS
6+ DR: 1 GS

[AngelsLakersFan]

17 minutes ago, Trendon said:

Jordan Hicks:
3 DR: 1 GS
4 DR: 4 GS
5 DR: 1 GS
6+ DR: 1 GS

That's just stupid

[Slegnaac]

The future depends upon what we do in the present.

-Mahatma Gandhi 

[Inside Pitch]

2 hours ago, Trendon said:

Here's a sample of pitchers who had TJ and missed most, if not all, of the last 2 years and the breakdown of the number of days rest they've had before starts this season...

Noah Syndergaard:

5 days rest: 2 GS
6+ days rest: 7 GS

 

Alex Faedo:

4 DR: 1 GS

5 DR: 5 GS

6+ DR: 1 GS

 

Dakota Hudson:

4 DR: 6 GS

5 DR: 3 GS

6+ DR: 2 GS

 

Justin Verlander: 

4 DR: 2 GS

5 DR: 7 GS

6 DR: 2 GS

 

Mike Clevinger:

5 DR: 1 GS

6+ DR: 3 GS

 

Jordan Hicks:
3 DR: 1 GS
4 DR: 4 GS
5 DR: 1 GS
6+ DR: 1 GS

How many of those guys are pitching in rotations where the entire rotation save for one pitcher threw less than 100 innings total the previous year AND where the top innings total the previous season was 130.1 innings?

Your comparison fails to consider the reality that the Angels aren't trying to limit the innings of simply ONE starter, but rather SIX of them.  That's a pretty significant bit of context you're glossing over..

[Inside Pitch]

1 hour ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

That's just stupid

They were using Hicks as some hybrid opener/5th starter.  Only twice was he allowed to throw 4+ innings and he's currently back on the DL.

Its not working for him as of yet.

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Inside Pitch said:

Its not working for him as of yet.

That's a shocker

[stormngt]

I don't mind the 6an rotation but there shouldn't be a need in "for an extra day rest".

[stormngt]

I also believe "giving an extra days rest" has cost us two or three games this year.

[Angel Oracle]

13 hours ago, Lhalo said:

Agreed. I’ve always thought the 6 man rotation is stupid. 

I don’t mind it for one season, given the recent lack of innings for most of the starters.

But the extra rest day on top of that is seemingly overkill.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[HanfordGuy]

It’s probably a small sample size but what are the pitchers’ stats on 5 days rest vs 6+? Does it change performance?

[T.G.]

An extra day of rest for Syndegaard is overkill?

FFS

Edited June 11, 2022 by True Grich

[Amazing Larry]

[Angel Oracle]

3 hours ago, True Grich said:

An extra day of rest for Syndegaard is overkill?

FFS

He’s only pitched 46.1 innings so far, on pace for what Ohtani pitched a year ago, and Ohtani had only 1.2 innings in 2019-2020.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[Lou]

All pitchers and their injuries are the same. 

[Angel Oracle]

32 minutes ago, Lou said:

All pitchers and their injuries are the same. 

No, but what’s the risk of one extra start?   Is it that great?

[Lou]

3 minutes ago, Angel Oracle said:

No, but what’s the risk of one extra start?   Is it that great?

To us? No. 

I have to think it was discussed with Noah. These decisions aren't made on a whim. 

[3pitchwalk]

damn, i hope somebody lets the angels know that this is where trendon draws the line. lmao.