Perry Minasian

[Dtwncbad]

45 minutes ago, True Grich said:

If Katy Perry married Perry Minasian, she would be Katy Perry Minasian.

If Amber Heard married Perry Minasian he would have poop in his bed.

[Jay]

The whole Maddon dismissal seemed a bit hasty IMO. Here's a theory.

Maybe Maddon disrespected Minasian somehow or maybe he had been doing it all along. Dismissing Minasian's ideas, laughing in his face, etc. Maddon saw himself as the Sun with everyone else orbiting around him.

Minasian finally became fed up and used the Angels' recent struggles as the reason to give Maddon the boot.

Don't laugh. This explanation is at least as good as the one Minasian gave in the interviews I watched.

I only saw snippets of Phil Nevin's introduction but when Minasian spoke Nevin didn't even look at him.

Weird.

[Angelsjunky]

56 minutes ago, Blarg said:

Putting a relatively untested Detmers in the rotation has been ignored in regards to a Minasian move that has worked out. 

Has it, though? He's been vaguely decent, but a 4.20 ERA, 4.85 FIP, and 0.2 WAR = 100th out of 120 starters with at least 40 IP. Meaning, he's holding on as a vaguely decent #5 starter. 

 

[Taylor]

14 minutes ago, Jay said:

The whole Maddon dismissal seemed a bit hasty IMO. Here's a theory.

Maybe Maddon disrespected Minasian somehow or maybe he had been doing it all along. Dismissing Minasian's ideas, laughing in his face, etc. Maddon saw himself as the Sun with everyone else orbiting around him.

Minasian finally became fed up and used the Angels' recent struggles as the reason to give Maddon the boot.

Don't laugh. This explanation is at least as good as the one Minasian gave in the interviews I watched.

I only saw snippets of Phil Nevin's introduction but when Minasian spoke Nevin didn't even look at him.

Weird.

You've been watching too much Tucker. Not everything is a conspiracy.

[HanfordGuy]

31 minutes ago, Dtwncbad said:

If Amber Heard married Perry Minasian he would have poop in his bed.

[Jay]

5 minutes ago, Taylor said:

You've been watching too much Tucker. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Ok you keep playing "guess the age of the poster" and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

[Angelsjunky]

Regarding the question of why Minasian really fired Maddon, we'll likely never know. But the most likely explanations are:

1. Arte was pissed and wanted to blame someone, so he told Minasian to fire Maddon.

2. Minasian was waiting for an opportunity to fire Maddon, and seized upon it.

The point being, if Arte and Minasian were good with Maddon, he wouldn't have been fired. They'd have said, "Don't worry, Joe, we're all in this together and we'll get out of this together." Firing Maddon implies more than just unhappiness with the losing streak - but that one or both of Arte and Minasian were unhappy.

My not-so-conspiratorial theory is that Arte called Perry, and said "Sack his ass, and if things don't turn around soon, you're next. It is my money."

So now Minasian is on the hot seat. He might have/probably has until the end of the year, but if the Angels suffer through another .500ish (or worse) season, there's no way he's keeping his job. 

But at some point, Arte has to ask himself: "So I've had Reagins, Dipoto, Eppler, and Minasian, and nothing seems to change. What are other common factors to consider?"

[cals]

2 minutes ago, Jay said:

Ok you keep playing "guess the age of the poster" and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

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[Jay]

I guess I set myself up for that one.

[Taylor]

13 minutes ago, Jay said:

Ok you keep playing "guess the age of the poster" and I'll keep doing what I'm doing.

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[mmc]

4 hours ago, eligrba said:

Not when the two years demonstrates the GM's inability to build a decent major league roster. Minasian has been an awful evaluator. His brother clearly inherited those genes. 

Eppler couldn’t either and he got 5

[Torridd]

10 hours ago, cals said:

Syndergaard is doing about as good as I think they could have expected.  Lorenzen has been a plus.

The bullpen has been a disaster.

Mostly because they've been burned out though by Maddon.

[cals]

Just now, Torridd said:

Mostly because they've been burned out though by Maddon.

Let it go, dude.

[Angel Oracle]

1 hour ago, Blarg said:

Putting a relatively untested Detmers in the rotation has been ignored in regards to a Minasian move that has worked out. 

It’s been mixed actually.

Take away the one gem though, and his ERA is 5.25.

Edited June 8, 2022 by Angel Oracle

[eligrba]

10 minutes ago, mmc said:

Eppler couldn’t either and he got 5

That was a mistake.  And I think he was paid for 6 years.

[Jay]

37 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

The point being, if Arte and Minasian were good with Maddon, he wouldn't have been fired. They'd have said, "Don't worry, Joe, we're all in this together and we'll get out of this together." Firing Maddon implies more than just unhappiness with the losing streak - but that one or both of Arte and Minasian were unhappy.

Exactly. It costs money to fire Maddon. Maybe $1M seems like peanuts but it's still a million bucks.

Plus whatever salary bump they gave to Nevin to have him become manager.

 

[Jason]

57 minutes ago, Angelsjunky said:

 

The point being, if Arte and Minasian were good with Maddon, he wouldn't have been fired. They'd have said, "Don't worry, Joe, we're all in this together and we'll get out of this together." Firing Maddon implies more than just unhappiness with the losing streak - but that one or both of Arte and Minasian were unhappy.

 

Who knows what all that has accumulated over the past couple of seasons that led to this. This may sound silly but I think his bases loaded walk earlier this year probably raised some concerns and brought negative attention he didn't need. That very well may be the one thing that got the ball rolling. 

[Duren, Duren]

The manager of most teams losing a dozen games in a row would be in jeopardy. It's assumed a manager should find a way, any way, to right the ship. Such as  significant lineup changes, morale boosting, rallying around something that creates solidarity, dissipating collective tension.

Maddon jumped the shark before the slump, walking Seager with the bases loaded. That kind of signified either desperation or an esoteric thought process that probably baffled the team. Players have the mindset to keep competing, no matter what the situation. By doing that Maddon indirectly gave up on the team.  Since then I don't think anything he's done has regained collective team trust. And it probably was a big red flag for Minasian and Arte. 

 

[Jay]

The bases-loaded walk episode was a red flag.

 

[Blarg]

1 hour ago, Angelsjunky said:

Has it, though? He's been vaguely decent, but a 4.20 ERA, 4.85 FIP, and 0.2 WAR = 100th out of 120 starters with at least 40 IP. Meaning, he's holding on as a vaguely decent #5 starter. 

 

Or a punt on another high risk scrap heap arm to stay in the budget?

I'll take Detmers.  

[Torridd]

4 minutes ago, Jay said:

The bases-loaded walk episode was a red flag.

 

Maybe. I think Perry has done a good job. I think Maddon misused the assets. I believe Nevin will correct things.

[cals]

19 minutes ago, Torridd said:

Maybe. I think Perry has done a good job. I think Maddon misused the assets. I believe Nevin will correct things.

Good luck with that.

[AvsBroncosAngels05]

Call me crazy but I still have more confidence in Minasian as a GM than I ever did with Eppler. While the bullpen has been awful the last 3 weeks the signings of Tepera, Loup and Bradley on paper should have improved this bullpen. Key word should. None of them are executing at all but statistically it should have improved our 7th and 8th innings a lot from last year. Will they get it going again? Who knows. I hope so. But throw in also that Minasian got Iglesias for Noe Ramirez basically I can't fault Perry for trying. Eppler didn't even try on the bullpen. It seems like the last 2 years all he did was pick up guys on the waiver wire and call it good (i.e. Noe Ramirez, Mike Mayers, Hansel Robles, Felix Pena among many others). I know this isn't a Minasian vs Eppler thread but if Eppler got 5 years for the horrible job he did then Minasian shouldn't get fired after 2 seasons in my opinion.

[stormngt]

11 hours ago, Angelsjunky said:

Let's revisit his offseason moves.

- He released Justin Upton. Meanwhile, his replacement, Brandon Marsh, is hitting .246/.295/.347 with an 85 wRC+, but 0.5 WAR due to good defense. J-Up is doing OK in 5 AAA games (.897 OPS, 2 HR) for Seattle.

- He "bolstered" the bullpen, giving contracts to Iglesias (4/$58M), Loup (2/$17M), Tepera (2/$14M), and Bradley (1/$3.75M) - or $24.5M for those four this year, and over $30M for the bullpen as a whole. That's about two-thirds the total payroll of both the Orioles and Athletics, and possibly the most expensive bullpen in the majors - or one of them. The results are: 0.2 WAR, 25th in the majors; 4.30 FIP, 26th in majors; 4.29 ERA, 23rd in majors; 13 blown saves tied for most in the majors.

- Signed Lorenzen for $7M. 0.8 WAR, 3.69 ERA, 3.85 FIP. So that's good value.

- Signed Syndergaard for $21M. 0.8 WAR, 3.69, 3.81 FIP (almost exact same as Lorenzen). Not so good value, but not horrible.

- Re-signed Suzuki. Why?

- Signed Wade, Duffy, and Velazquez. OK, I guess? Velazquez is great defensively but can't hit. Wade and Duffy have their moments, but are bench guys stretched in the roles they've been given.

As of this moment, the only move he made that seems to be good value for the money spent is Lorenzen. Everything else has yielded mixed, at best, results, and some really bad. The bullpen is a disaster, Syndergaard has been solid but unspectacular, Upton's replacements haven't performed, and the bits and pieces are OK, but not good enough for what they're being used for.

Minasian will have the full season, I'm guessing, but if the Angels don't turn it around and at least make things interesting, I'm guessing he's gone in the offseason.

He released Upton because of Ward.

[stormngt]

11 hours ago, beatlesrule said:

Arte hired him correct? He hires all GMs and approves or signs managers too correct? Arte is the constant in all this sucking.

Arte isn't getting fired so let's move on.