Gameday Thread: Blue Jays @ Angels (5/28/22 7pm): Lorenzen on the mound, Ohtani is back, no Ward

[cals]

3 minutes ago, Stradling said:

My assumption is the run would count.  

Please say you are joking.

[CaliAngel]

3 minutes ago, failos said:

Dummy

Yeah!

Quick google searches, dummy!

[m0nkey]

Chad Wallach is coming back to save the offense!

[Lou]

1 minute ago, cals said:

I hope they fire Maddon.  I have no particular attachment to him.  But I love I told you sos.  Love the shit out of those things.  From Bauer to Buttrey I’ve I told you so’d the shit out of this ridiculous group.  

[cals]

There is no way you guys don’t know the run doesn’t count.

[m0nkey]

Just now, cals said:

There is no way you guys don’t know the run doesn’t count.

The future of baseball is in trouble if AW is umpiring little leaguers

[Stradling]

Just now, cals said:

Please say you are joking.

That’s why I said it could be a dumb question. The defensive team has the choice to make it a force out but if they choose not to force the runner out then if the guy touches home before the tag out is recorded it feels like it should count. I’ve never seen it. 

[Erstad Grit]

2 minutes ago, cals said:

There is no way you guys don’t know the run doesn’t count.

You're wrong dude yes it would. 

[fan_since79]

Very exciting game until that horrible at-bat by Velazquez.

Very disappointing ending.

[cals]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

That’s why I said it could be a dumb question. The defensive team has the choice to make it a force out but if they choose not to force the runner out then if the guy touches home before the tag out is recorded it feels like it should count. I’ve never seen it. 

It’s still a force out though. Tag or not.

[m0nkey]

Just now, Erstad Grit said:

You're wrong dude yes it would. 

How do you interpret this rule (the bolded (1) part):

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

[Stradling]

Just now, cals said:

It’s still a force out though. Tag or not.

Ok that makes sense. 

[cals]

Just now, Stradling said:

Ok that makes sense. 

I get the question now. But a put out of a runner that hasn’t advanced to his next base either through a force at the bag or by tag is still a force.

[cals]

And I think FrostadGrit is smoking some smelling salts.

[cals]

2 minutes ago, Stradling said:

Ok that makes sense. 

I didn’t mean to be an ass.

[Stradling]

1 minute ago, cals said:

I get the question now. But a put out of a runner that hasn’t advanced to his next base either through a force at the bag or by tag is still a force.

So you are saying as long as it’s a force out it doesn’t need to be forced out he can be tagged out and when it occurs doesn’t matter as long as the out is recorded. 

[jsnpritchett]

 

 

[CaliAngel]

1 minute ago, Stradling said:

So you are saying as long as it’s a force out it doesn’t need to be forced out he can be tagged out and when it occurs doesn’t matter as long as the out is recorded. 

Yeah the runner from home to 1st base is a special circumstance from all other runners. Tagged or thrown out, it's a "forced out" regardless if they tag him or throw to 1st.

[cals]

6 minutes ago, Stradling said:

That’s why I said it could be a dumb question. The defensive team has the choice to make it a force out but if they choose not to force the runner out then if the guy touches home before the tag out is recorded it feels like it should count. I’ve never seen it. 

In an alternative situation, had there been one out and a runner on first and third and the ball is hit to the 1B who steps on 1B creating an out, then throws to second, the runner from 3rd to home can score because there is no force at second. The play doesn’t end until the runner is tagged.  This happened yesterday or the day before and our lazy runner lolligagged and the run did not score.  But the manner in which a forced runner is out is irrelevant.  

[HeavenlyHalos]

1 minute ago, jsnpritchett said:

 

 

Glad to hear he's doing alright. Can we put Maddon on the IL? 

[cals]

4 minutes ago, Stradling said:

So you are saying as long as it’s a force out it doesn’t need to be forced out he can be tagged out and when it occurs doesn’t matter as long as the out is recorded. 

At first base, yes.

[Erstad Grit]

8 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

How do you interpret this rule (the bolded (1) part):

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

Wow I've never read that before. Luckily I've never had that happen. I guess I'm wrong. 

[Stradling]

Just now, cals said:

At first base, yes.

Got it. 

[cals]

1 minute ago, cals said:

At first base, yes.

Now you guys got me all turned around.  It applies for any forced runner at any base.

[Lou]

11 minutes ago, m0nkey said:

How do you interpret this rule (the bolded (1) part):

4.09 HOW A TEAM SCORES.

(a) One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases.

I, too, would like to know.