Trumped

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

It's not just the Democrats though. 10 Republicans voted to impeach him. Hell the only ones that are even really defending him are dudes like Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz. Most of the other Republicans are just trying to argue it maybe unconstitutional or the we need to heal bullshit. 

Nobody there really cares about Trump anymore as he's a thing of the past. I think this is a way to keep him out of politics for good moving forward but that's not what impeachment is there for. I'm more for holding the fools accountable that did storm the Capitol. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

2 hours ago, Lhalo said:

He didn’t encourage people to violently storm the Capitol. You can lie and say he did though. 

 

2 hours ago, Jason said:

Outside of this forum I don’t follow much of this stuff. I haven’t seen any video of him telling his supporters to break into the Capitol like they did. I’ve heard the argument that his rhetoric about the stolen election is what led up to it but that’s not the same as directly telling people to do what they did. We aren’t blaming political rhetoric that led to cities being burnt and looted this past year. 

So if Trump had nothing to do with it, why did the mob violently storm the capitol?

[Jason]

3 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

Not violence. Insurrection 

They are still going to have to prove that but I believe that is also a long reach. 

[Blarg]

14 hours ago, Taylor said:

Okay, Blarq. That's why Trump had such a wonderful new healthcare plan that he implemented immediately because he had a majority in both chambers.

Trump didn't create a larger problem. This is what you won't accept, sometimes no action is better than yanking the wheel and running off a cliff. That and it's only Trump's authority to sign the bill into law, not create it. That's on congress' doorstep. 

Again, you just don't get it. To you it's all about what isn't done not what shouldn't be done. The ACA should never have been signed into law, it should have been kicked back to congress to re-write. FFS they didn't even read the fucking bill before voting on it. 

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

 

So if Trump had nothing to do with it, why did the mob violently storm the capitol?

Because they're idiots? Why do so many protests around the country end up in violence these days? I'm not really sure why but it seems like this is becoming the norm as opposed to outliers. Our society seems to be devolving a bit. 

Edited February 10, 2021 by Jason

[AngelsLakersFan]

22 minutes ago, arch stanton said:

The new definition of incitement is to give explicit step by step instruction 

Some of these people would defend an Ikea instruction manual. "That is clearly not incitement to build a bookshelf!"

[St1ck]

6 minutes ago, Jason said:

Nobody there really cares about Trump anymore as he's a thing of the past. I think this is a way to keep him out of politics for good moving forward but that's not what impeachment is there for. I'm more for holding the fools accountable that did storm the Capitol. 

Thing of the past? At the moment he's the frontrunner for the Republican nominee for 2024. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

22 minutes ago, Taylor said:

What about asking the Georgia Secretary of State to "find votes" and overturn the results there?

You just don't like that it's overwhelmingly Democrats who are leading the charge.

There is nothing wrong with looking! Maybe the dude dropped a few thousand votes under his sofa.

[AngelsLakersFan]

9 minutes ago, Jason said:

Because they're idiots? Why do so many protests around the country end up in violence these days? I'm not really sure why but it seems like this is becoming the norm as opposed to outliers. Our society seems to be devolving a bit. 

So a bunch of idiots just happened to show up at the capitol on the day they were counting electoral votes, then they just happened to storm the capitol because that's what idiots do?

[Blarg]

Evidently there weren't as many red necked Klaners in Georgia as was to be believed.

[Jason]

4 minutes ago, st1ckboy said:

Thing of the past? At the moment he's the frontrunner for the Republican nominee for 2024. 

yuck. No way that holds up until then. 

[Blarg]

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

So a bunch of idiots just happened to show up at the capitol on the day they were counting electoral votes, then they just happened to storm the capitol because that's what idiots do?

Well the Tuesday after they all had something on their calendars to do. WTF, ALF, when else would they choose to make this specific protest, in April? 

[AngelsLakersFan]

1 minute ago, Blarg said:

Well the Tuesday after they all had something on their calendars to do. WTF, ALF, when else would they choose to make this specific protest, in April? 

Why are they 'protesting' a fair democratic election?

[Jason]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

So a bunch of idiots just happened to show up at the capitol on the day they were counting electoral votes, then they just happened to storm the capitol because that's what idiots do?

Of course they chose that day as it was in the spotlight. It's not that complicated to organize via social media. I imagine many of the people that stormed the Capitol hadn't planned on it that morning but followed along with the ones that did.  

[Jason]

Just now, AngelsLakersFan said:

Why are they 'protesting' a fair democratic election?

people protest all kinds of stuff that is stupid 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Just now, Jason said:

people protest all kinds of stuff that is stupid 

So this was just a random event with no real cause and no one responsible?

[St1ck]

4 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

So a bunch of idiots just happened to show up at the capitol on the day they were counting electoral votes, then they just happened to storm the capitol because that's what idiots do?

I think the audio was altered. When you see them chanting "hang Mike Pence" what they were really saying was "hang out with Mike Pence and have a peaceful conversation about all the voter fraud they have uncovered." Don't believe everything you see on the internet. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

Just now, st1ckboy said:

I think the audio was altered. When you see them chanting "hang Mike Pence" what they were really saying was "hang out with Mike Pence and have a peaceful conversation about all the voter fraud they have uncovered." Don't believe everything you see on the internet. 

It's disheartening the number of people in this thread who are willing to stick their heads in the sand on this. 

[Jason]

2 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

So this was just a random event with no real cause and no one responsible?

I believe they've made numerous arrests of those involved in it. 

[St1ck]

1 minute ago, Jason said:

I believe they've made numerous arrests of those involved in it. 

True. One of them even got impeached. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

3 minutes ago, Jason said:

I believe they've made numerous arrests of those involved in it. 

And I'm sure after 9/11 you were comforted by the knowledge that all those responsible died on the planes.

[Jason]

1 minute ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

And I'm sure after 9/11 you were comforted by the knowledge that all those responsible died on the planes.

I'm not sure this comparison is on an equal scale. 

[Amazing Larry]

12 minutes ago, AngelsLakersFan said:

So this was just a random event with no real cause and no one responsible?

People are responsible for their own actions. I know that's hard for a liberal to understand but give it a shot.

[Jason]

You guys can blame Trump all you want and that is fine. My only point is that this impeachment is being used as a political weapon and the evidence to convict of what they are accusing him of isn't there. Simple political rhetoric isn't going to hold water as evidence. 

[AngelsLakersFan]

5 minutes ago, Jason said:

I'm not sure this comparison is on an equal scale. 

You're right, the camel humpers were more ambitious and actually successful.